Vandersteen Treo vs 3A Sig as upgrade

 Any one who wants can post and should.  I'm not monopolizing anything.  Not sure if Johnny is posting or not as I haven't gone back to read.  Just living in the moment.  

You don't think the Treo's can rock or boogie or whatever and I certainly feel they do as do many  others I speak with.  Didn't know I had to have everyone I speak with about audio posting to prove what I say isn't a lie. As for your comments about me dismissing your thoughts and feelings, nothing is further from the truth. I have posted that I understand what you are saying.  I said that the 3 does go deeper (I've posted that in other threads about them that you haven't read or at least posted on on other boards.  i love the 3's for their price, but the 8-1 purchases of the TReo over the 3's comes directly from Richard.  To me, that's folks who are choosing them over the 3's and many of us do listen to a lot of rock, but we would rather have an overall better speaker even if it doesn't have the displacement and or the room pressurization of the 3.  That's the reason they cost more and Richard has engineered them to be much better.  If you feel the 3 is a better speaker for you, that's cool and I'm honestly happy for you. I really am, but 8-1 would win out over some posters on a board (yes, me included).  Again, those are the facts.  I would venture to say that many of us who ended up with Treo's or Quatro's etc... have listened to the speakers one below and chosen to spend a bit more, because it fit's OUR system and personal tastes.  

Many threads I've read on all the boards meander and go all over the place. I can promise you that I'm not the only one who takes things that way. I have basically spoken about the difference in the two speakers and haven't been talking about other speakers or electronics.  As for the set up part that you take umbrage with, that was directly from Richard.  I'm sorry that upset you, but for any speaker it's important to set them up correctly.  Like I said, mine are about 3 feet from the rear wall I believe and they sound great on all music.  That's not trying to start a fight and it's not white washing a thing.  Honestly I have never said anything negative about the 3's and I haven't taken any swipes at you. If you feel I have, then I'm truly sorry.  Not my intent ever. 

When you read print instead of hearing voice inflection and reading non verbals, you don't always get the other person's thoughts fully.  I love the 3's and feel they are a great value.  The true value statements in the line are the 3's and the Quatro's to me.  

By monopolize I meant continuously and insistently undermining any and all opinions that portray the Vandersteen in any but the most glorious light.   I say the Treo is wimpy, because it is in my eyes.  I don't say things about the ability of Treo owners to properly evaluate a speaker, whether it be a fault of their equipment or what they might be used to hearing, or suggest that they are out of their league and dismiss them outright.   Sound familiar?   Unfounded undermining of credibility just to bolster your own.  It has no rightful place in this thread or any other.  So don't wear that halo too proudly.  
My observation (not accusation) that out of the ton of owners you know that think the Treo rocks, and all of the 8 -1 new owners of the Treo, you are the only one claiming such here on a 10,000 view thread.  That speaks louder than 8 - 1 statistics, super Vandersteen design or not.  There is one person on this thread that thinks the Treo rocks.  One.  One relentless person.  Would it hurt your pride so much to agree that the Treo would be a better rocker if it pushed more air?  

 Wluke,guys

Its real simple,Vandersteens latest efforts have been geared to work well with friendlier domestic positioning ,sometimes 7 to 14 inches out from the rooms front wall.

In a medium to large rooms (with a closer to wall position) the Treos offer a very well balanced design and high visual acceptance.

I don't doubt your comparisons outcome for a second and i know you can hear.

 Had you listened to the Treo in this near wall position its power response
 improves immensely along with smoother in room response add a ballsier solid state design and i think you would of discovered its magic.

That being said there is no excuse for cubic inches and the 3A Sig's
 10 inch and 8 inch do a super job for Rock and roll for which a Treo would need a 2WQ to move more bass. 
 If you are ever in Verona NJ drop in.
 Cheers JohnnyR.

Thanks for the input Johnny.  I love my Vandersteens - it seems like we all do.  They're a great value and tick so many boxes for the money.  I'm not sure that I'll ever be in Verona, NJ but if I ever am (you never know) I will definitely stop by.

Bill

Wlutke, I have said many times that you can't understand where someone is coming from just by the writer word.  I have said that we will respectfully disagree on the Treo being able to rock. I've always said the 3a's move more air and goes lower, but to ME I've said that doesn't mean it rocks better so no, this isn't pride, it's my opinion.  You make accusations towards me that I am undermining any and all opinions of the Vandersteens that aren't my opinion. Ummm, ok.  Whatever you want to think, that's fine.  

I have not said that anyone can't evaluate their speakers or other's speakers at all.  I have just said that the Treo is a more evolved speaker and it better be for the price difference.  That comes directly from the person who invented the speaker as well as others in this thread who have heard the speaker.  The fact that you and some others like the 3a's better doesn't bother me as you think it does.  As I've stated, I honestly am happy for you and others.  

Just because folks don't post, doesn't mean they aren't there.  That goes for any thread on any type of board.  Sports boards, audio, MS support boards etc... I'm on a lot of these boards and it's actually a minority that post in most cases.  I don't know the numbers here.  As for sales, those are real folks who made the decision to purchase one over the other at an 8-1 clip.  Does that mean we are better?  Not in the least, but many of us listen to rock and love it.  Do I want the Treo to move more air?  Sure, but I also can move plenty for my room by turning up the volume.  I don't listen as loudly as many of you do I guess, but be honest, there isn't just one person who feels the way that I do, but that doesn't matter either.  Audio is so personal and we all listen differently and like different things.  

I hope that I haven't really upset you in this thread, as your written word comes off that way.  The real take away is that we both love Vandersteens and even if one of us didn't, that would be cool too.  I have plenty of friends who own Wilsons and I really don't.  I never have and I've never understood why folks are so crazy about them.  We always have great discussions about audio and sound. We respect each other and I understand where he's coming from and he gets where I come from.  Spirited debates and they are fun, but we will never agree as we listen differently.  As I've said, if we were at Johnny's or a bar over a beer and having this conversation, it wouldn't play out the way it has in this thread.  I also don't think you'd dislike me after it either, but if you did, that would be fine too.  It's all good that we love our systems and you can ask Johnny who knows me very well as to others on the board, I'm not an elitist by any means and I'm also not a jerk....well most of the time. :)