Where is the significant point of diminishing returns on hi-end turntable?

Dear @mmporsche : """ I appreciate the advice and I don’t want some high maintenance system. My objective is high quality sound with a reasonable amount of fuss/work. ...... I am more the set it and forget it. I will spend the time and learn how to set it up once properly and make some minor tweaks but that is it. """

""" I just want to buy great products the first time that are very satisfying and spend hours listening to great music. """


Analog is not " set it and forget it ", could be but depend on other personal factors.

""".... very satisfying ? """

if that is what you are looking for then may I ask you: which is your level of analog satyisfying and how do you know it’s exactly that?

I think that first you have to fix your knowed personal premises to achieve it but even that money is no object ( and this fact can only help to start and for up-grades. ) I thing your overall analog knowledge ignorance level is not adequated for what you posted in both threads. I know that because IMHO you are not asking the rigth questions.

I see you as a " child " that needs and like to buy a new toy and that’s excited to do it and react emotionally to many of the gentlemans advices and after that you have more doubts than certainty of which toys fill your needs.

My take is that you think you know your needs but in reality you don’t. You are a wise man but true analog high end is a new " land " for you. You need to learn before pull the trigger.

You have to start asking you: step by step which is the path/road ( detaliled one. ) where the cartridge delicate and way sensitive electrical music information must pass till arrives your ears and where at each one of those single steps the signal is degraded ( always is. ) and the level of degradation is not the same.

You have to learn where the signal suffer more degradation to take care scrupulously on those single links with higher degradation levels in order to achieve audio system degradation at minimum. So, analog rig is only part of that audio system. Important? yes but analog rig is not an island surrounded by nothing but for a real " furious sea " where degradation means: distortions of every type and at the ends means that as higher distortions comes as less MUSIC we listen.

You can pull the trigger rigth now ( is your money. ) but if I was you: learning experiences are more important because you are not " dying " now.

Wise money investment is the key not the money. Money is always important but more important is if you know for sure how and why spend it. Same like when you choose a Porsche over a Ferrari where you don’t only buy a Porsche but a precise Porsche model. Why is that?


Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

I just don’t want to spend more time preparing to listen than actually listening.

Me neither. Who does? I typically clean an album once, use a brush before each play, and keep my styli clean. But you will want to fine tune your set up, play with various cartridges, etc., hence my statements about tools and activity.

To your Clearaudio question: I owned an Innovation Wood with a Universal arm for 18 months and never really cottoned to it, finding it somewhat hard and thin. I didn’t like the DC motor being built into the support pillar, either, as it was noisy and clearly audible on the armboard through a cheap stethoscope. I replaced it with a Brinkmann Oasis, which is much better, IMO. Each on a Minus-K. I did like the Clearaudio’s capacity for two arms, though (my other was a Phantom II, now a Supreme in use on the Oasis), and it was speed-stable.

I'm with Raul on this one.  If you have been racing I assume you are familiar with gifted builders and machine shops and the hands-on set-ups that win races.  If there is one area of hi-fi that is analogous to that sport it is TOTL vinyl replay.  It's very much a hands-on thing.  Clue: in TTs and tonearms there has been little progress since the best from Micro Seiki, Luxman, Technics, and Kenwood. You can take these decks, add a few tweaks, and be done with it.                     

@bdp24 I have access to over 5000 albums.  I disagree with your quantity over quality, I much prefer the latter.

@dgarretson Yes, I know how to rebuild a motor and repair anything on my race car, however, that doesn't mean I always do the work myself.  I usually leave that to the experts and I focus on the driving-the part I enjoy the most.  I believe the same is true with setting up a turntable.  I can understand how to do everything but that doesn't mean I am going to do it.  I am seeking out the local experts and will have them setup my table.  If I need to adjust something than I will certainly have the knowledge and tools.  

I am sure I will upset many of you but it appears that a good number of you seem to enjoy working on your setup more than listening to music.  That is certainly your choice but not mine.  

Back to the car analogy; there are many people that love to build their car and constantly tweak the setup in the paddock before a race.  Some were successful, most were not.  I focus on the driving and the race craft and believe I had more fun.  That is my strategy for listening to music.