Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?


Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late.  Many know from experience that footers, stands and other vibration technologies impact things that vibrate a lot like speakers, subs or even listening rooms (my recent experience with an "Energy room").  The question is does it have merit when it comes to electronics and if so why?  Are there plausible explanations for their effect on electronics or suggested measurement paradigms to document such an effect?
agear

mapman
"It’ll be a cold day in hell that gk succumbs to that appeal to authority deal." 😉

Thus spake the geologist. Who, according to my calculations, has zero to say on the subject. I’m guessing seismology wasn’t his major.

Mapman thinks for a minute, then pulls the trigger,

"Btw im guessing seismic vibrations/waves to her and geologists in general infer those where the earths plate tectonics are the source. Not including man made sources."

That’s fascinating. You thought of that all by yourself? 

Then, perhaps against his better judgement, Mapman pulls the trigger again,

"Just saying. As it relates to hifi what matters mainly is whether the source can be identified and controlled or eliminated if needed. But it can’t hurt to all be speaking the same language."

Whatever. 😩 


The guys who have $2000-$3000 microscope isolation tables (first reported on in TAS about twenty years ago, now made by Newport, MinusK, and others) have them only under their turntables. One under every component in a system would be a whole lotta dough, as well overkill imo. The suspension of a turntable seriously affects the sound of LP’s, and a serious isolation table for them is justified.

Geoff is again correct (and correct in correcting me!) in the matter of affected frequencies. I used a 5Hz figure for seismic activity only because it is vibrations below that frequency that cannot be provided isolation from except by herculean effort. Spikes and cones are effective down to maybe 10Hz, Sorbothane and Navcom about the same (see the chart on the Townshend Audio site for exact figures).

Roller bearing devices provide isolation down to about 5Hz in the horizontal/lateral plane, but coupling (the exact opposite of isolation) in the vertical. Audiophile recording engineer Barry Diament (from whom I learned of the bearings) postulates that vibration travels largely across the surface of the floor (the lateral plane), and roller bearing are very effective at isolation in that plane. But vibrations also travel vertically, and roller bearings act as couplers in that plane. The combination of roller bearings and either metal or air springs (which decouple in the vertical plane, providing isolation) provide isolation in all three axis down to perhaps 3Hz, about as good as you can do outside of the $2000-$3000 Newport and MinusK tables, and the Townshend Seismic Pods at about half that. I’ll let Geoff speak in behalf of his own springs!

Barry uses roller bearings of his own design (manufactured locally for him only for his own use, not for sale) under his Maggie 3.7 speakers, and both the bearings and air springs (an under-inflated inner tube between two pieces marble or granite, I believe) under every piece of his recording and playback electronics.

It was back in Nov 1995 in Stereophile magazine that Shannon Dickson published "Bad Vibes" - the landmark article on vibration isolation and also the Vibraplane iso stand that had recently come out. IIRC there were then only two isolation stands in high end audio - Vibraplane and Sesimic Sink from Townshend in UK. I debuted my six degree of freedom Nimbus Sub Hertz platform with Mapleshade at CES Jan 1997. A feature of Nimbus was actually provided by Shannon Dickson. Even back then the Nimbus featured a single air spring of correct geometry, the world’s best air spring, an axillary air canister, and cryogenically treated steel rods that supported steel ballast below decks. I later introduced Promethean Base, a steel spring based ISO stand at CES 2000 and 2001 followed by much smaller cryo’d high carbon steel springs, Cryo Baby Prometheans. Now I have small cryo’d springs for every load from 1 lb to 300 lb. My Super Stiff Spings are for really heavy loads like large turntables and amps and subwoofers. Since cost is NOT an issue for my springs, we’re practically GIVING them away, ALL COMPONENTS in the system can be isolated at LOW COST - and since the springs are very low profile (about an inch high compressed) they have outstanding lateral support. THUS in most cases they can be placed DIRECTLY under components. I recently introduced the Bio Mikro G "Woody the Woodpecker" isolation stand that is not a spring-based ISO stand. I have constructed a dual layer ISO stand, a trick I learned from LIGO. Dual mass-spring layer devices are very tricky and not for the timid or young.

Ironically my small springs yield the same resonant frequency as the Vibraplane, about 3 Hz.

Full text of Shannon Dickson’s Bad Vibes at,

http://www.stereophile.com/reference/52/

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
advanced audio concepts