Jazz for aficionados

****Frogman, that's an interesting comparison between "East of Suez" and "Night in Tunisia"; one is well known, while the other is almost unknown.****

Check out the solo "break" by Kai Winding (trombone) at 1:01 on "East Of Suez".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnrYk1pq12I

He quotes part of the melody of "Night In Tunisia"; the seven note melodic fragment at the end of the repeated eight measure first phrase of NIT. Obviously, that same comparison was made a long time ago. That same little melodic fragment is first heard at :25 in the clip below.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxibMBV3nFo

Further proof that the evolution of jazz is linear; the past influences the present and future.

Only musicians would notice something like that musical similarity between "Night in Tunisia" and "East of Suez", but not many people other than musicians are familiar with "East of Suez".

That was when Miles had something so special, that not even he knew what it was, but "Bird" heard it. Right now, that ranks as the number 1 "Night in Tunisia" for me.

Enjoy the music.

Rok, aficionados don't intellectualize the music we call jazz. Before "you tube" we were limited to words, which are a horrible way to communicate music. Now we can communicate with music, it makes statements that words can not be found to express. Maybe that's why Miles was so horrible with words, they failed to communicate anything he was trying to say.

Music is like a gigantic mirror of the times in which it was created; notice how music of the 40's seems to have some kind of common denominator that I can not put into words; and so it is with the 50's and 60's, those decades also have some kind of "common denominator".

When someone posts a statement with music, I can understand what they're saying much better than with just words. "You tube" has blessed us with a quality of sound, higher than we ever had, back in the day. For example; I'm sure I heard Miles and "Bird" on "Night in Tunisia" before, but I never heard it without distortion, pops, clicks, and record noise almost as loud as the music. Musicians have a sound as distinctive as the human voice, and I can't think of anything more distinctive than that. If you were in a crowded room with everyone talking, you would instantly recognize an old friends voice, even if you didn't see his face; that's what I mean about hearing this persons unique sound, not his style, but his musical voice that makes him different from any other musician before or after; now, we can hear things we never heard before.

Being an "aficionado" is about listening to the music. One of the most amazing people in jazz, never played any kind of instrument, she never wrote or talked about herself, but there is one statement she made that rings in my mind, that's when she told her talkative niece, "Listen to the music Hanna"; that's what being an "aficionado" is all about, listening and hearing. We hear things musicians say that can never be put into words, and others don't hear.

Enjoy the music.

O-10:

I am not sure if your post was meant to inform or admonish. If the former, I agree with virtually all of what you said. If the latter, no one has ever accused me of anything even remotely intellectual in nature! :)

I agree that music and muscians can say things beyond words. THEY, can speak to us in that way, but, I am not sure WE can communicate with each other via youtube clips.

Youtube is a great way to be exposed to new music, I just have this thing about submitting clips of Jazz music that I don't own. Just me.

Of course Jazz, and all music is a reflection of the times in which it was written, Jazz seemed to have started off happy, joyful, sensual, and then got angry / political / message laden, and finally cerebral.

'Store Bought' is the term I use for the cerebral stuff. It's not, happy, angry, political, and it has no message. I guess it's whatever the listner wants it to be.

****We hear things musicians say that can never be put into words, and others don't hear.****

True! That's why I seldom try. I just like it, or not. I remember reading articles about Classical music when I first got started. Writers saying what each movement of LvB's 6th sym meant. The 6th was my first favorite. What they wrote was interesting and to my puny brain quite profound.

Then I listened to thed 6th, and discovered that their attempts were pitifully inadequate. Verbal Description is Futile! As the borg might say.

Thanks for your post.

Cheers

O-10:

****Maybe that's why Miles was so horrible with words, they failed to communicate anything he was trying to say. ****

This is spot on. Ever hear Dizzy talking about his music? The guy sounded as if he was from another place. Which he was!

****Being an "aficionado" is about listening to the music***

This may be true, but once you hear the magic you just have to tell somebody!!! You can't just keep it to yourself. Hence all the traffic on this thread.

Cheers

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