Jazz for aficionados

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I am not sure if your post was meant to inform or admonish. If the former, I agree with virtually all of what you said. If the latter, no one has ever accused me of anything even remotely intellectual in nature! :)

I agree that music and muscians can say things beyond words. THEY, can speak to us in that way, but, I am not sure WE can communicate with each other via youtube clips.

Youtube is a great way to be exposed to new music, I just have this thing about submitting clips of Jazz music that I don't own. Just me.

Of course Jazz, and all music is a reflection of the times in which it was written, Jazz seemed to have started off happy, joyful, sensual, and then got angry / political / message laden, and finally cerebral.

'Store Bought' is the term I use for the cerebral stuff. It's not, happy, angry, political, and it has no message. I guess it's whatever the listner wants it to be.

****We hear things musicians say that can never be put into words, and others don't hear.****

True! That's why I seldom try. I just like it, or not. I remember reading articles about Classical music when I first got started. Writers saying what each movement of LvB's 6th sym meant. The 6th was my first favorite. What they wrote was interesting and to my puny brain quite profound.

Then I listened to thed 6th, and discovered that their attempts were pitifully inadequate. Verbal Description is Futile! As the borg might say.

Thanks for your post.

Cheers

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****Maybe that's why Miles was so horrible with words, they failed to communicate anything he was trying to say. ****

This is spot on. Ever hear Dizzy talking about his music? The guy sounded as if he was from another place. Which he was!

****Being an "aficionado" is about listening to the music***

This may be true, but once you hear the magic you just have to tell somebody!!! You can't just keep it to yourself. Hence all the traffic on this thread.

Cheers

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Rok, my post was meant to inform, and criticize Ken Burns in regard to us. While programs like Ken Burns are excellent for many others, I feel we are far too advanced for those types of programs; our discussions should be more into the "voices" of the different musicians. Miles for example had a trumpet "voice" that was different from any trumpet before him.

I also feel that when any of us find a musician we like, but are unfamiliar with, that we should all see what else that musician has to offer in order to increase our collection, and use "You tube" to do it; this is what they want you to do. The more exposure, the better the chances are for one of us to buy that artist's CD. I've bought a number of CD's based on your submission, acman3's post, or Frogman's recommendation on "You tube"; so it's a win win for "You tube" and the artist, that's what they are there for. Initially artists objected to their material on "you tube" without their permission, but after discovering that this increased exposure, increased their bottom line, they no longer objected; as a matter of fact, I've seen stuff that was removed come back on "you tube".

Charlie Ventura is apparently new to all of us, and I like his "musical voice". Our chances are better for finding something else by him when we go on a combined search on you tube. Since Frogman has yet to respond, he may know of something else by Charlie.

There is no better way to purchase new music than "like it or not", and our chances of finding new music we like have increased exponentially because we've been communicating on this thread for so long, that we should almost have a "mind meld".

Listening, hearing, and sharing what you heard with us, all go together; from now on, say it with a musical post, and then I'll know what you're talking about.

Enjoy the music.

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*****Rok, my post was meant to inform, and criticize Ken Burns in regard to us. While programs like Ken Burns are excellent for many others, I feel we are far too advanced for those types of programs******

I disagree. I liked it for it's historical value. Just like Nica's book. Burns is often criticized, mostly by folks that feel their favorite players / tunes were omitted, or given short riff. You can, could've / should've anything to death. It was a brilliant series. Also a gift from my son.

I have a few of the CDs. Guys like Sidney Bechet, I felt the sound quality would be the best avaliable for the old stuff.

I do realize that all the other folks on this thread are far more 'advanced' than I am, concerning Jazz. However, they are not so advanced, as to be able to dismiss one of the premier film makers of this era.

Burns did a great service to Jazz and Jazz fans. The Jazz scene is not exactly running over with supportive media the quality of Burns' documentary.

He best work is probably THE CIVIL WAR. I listen to that soundtrack on CD often.

He is a relative of the Poet, Robert Burns. I served with an Officer named Burns in Germany, who was also a decendant of Robert Burns. The similarity was stunning.

Cheers

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****Charlie Ventura is apparently new to all of us, and I like his "musical voice". Our chances are better for finding something else by him when we go on a combined search on you tube.*****

Following your orders, I did search him out and listened to a lot of his stuff. It was all Ok. Just didn't grab my attention. Besides all the stuff seemed to be taken directly from an LP. Lots of clicks and pops. The recordings did show the age in which they were recorded. Sounded muffled. Like the juke box playing in a 1940's film-noir, grade B movie. Reminded me of my old Dual 1229Q. Where is my Burwen? :)

I don't understand why everyone is going Gaga over Ventura, and no one had anything good to say about Andy Bey and the Sisters. A huge step up, in my, less advanced opinion.

Cheers