Environmental Potentials whole house surge protection, can I get your opinions?


I'd like to protect my whole house from surges rather than use individual units around the house.
The power on the NE is pretty good, but I know all it takes one bad zap. Have any of you installed this unit and do you think it works?
gdnrbob
Well here are some numbers from Furman for the P-2400 IT that not only protects your equipment but provides clean balanced power as well.....

Maximum Surge Current:6,500 Amps
Response Time:1 nanosecond
Spike Clamping Voltage:188 VAC peak @ 3,000 Amps

and here's the link...

http://www.furmansound.com/product.php?div=01&id=P-2400IT

I guess in  my mind if over 6500 amps gets past my Square D 20 amp breaker to my equipment in under 1 nanosecond then I just have to give up and call the insurance company. There are no absolutes. If the surge is due to a nuclear strike then you have much bigger problems than your audio equipment. Just sayin'!
 
The time is a little misleading.

The surge protection is always on, however it has a clamping mode. It's deceptive (or overtly conservative) because the surge protection slows the surge down by a huge amount. The clamp time and clamping voltage (188V) are severely below a damaging surge's potential.

This is different than a parallel circuit where it does NOTHING for several milliseconds (or whatever) and then becomes a short to ground.By that time your gear has already felt possibly several thousand volts.

Best,


Erik
It may help to understand that a SMP acts like a low pass filter. It is always in the circuit, and has a -3 dB point of around 3 kHz. That’s really really good since most EMI/RFI filters start working at around 100 kHz.

The low-pass filter is always there, and causes any very fast surges to present themselves as voltages across the protection device but NOT your appliance regardless of the speed of the surge itself. At the appliance, just like in a speaker, this will slow down the rise time of the surge, giving the rest of the device time to clamp on and further limit the voltage.

I believe, and it's been a while, that the 1 nanosecond time, refers to the time for the SMP to add a pole. That is, it goes from a 1-st order to 2-nd order filter, or something like that. Thanks to the low-pass effect, it has plenty of time to do this before issues arise.


This issue is timely for me since it looks like I’m finally moving from NY to Austin. I will be hiring an electrical contractor there for a build out. (I guess I need to buy the building first but planning is part of the process of selecting the right property/zoning/service for what I want to accomplish). @jea48 - you’ve always been a terrifically knowledgeable resource on matters electrical. I’ve sent you a PM. Could you take a look when you have a minute?
regards to every one here- good holiday if you celebrate--looking forward to carrying on soon from Texas!
bill hart
Maximum Surge Current:6,500 Amps
Response Time:1 nanosecond
Spike Clamping Voltage:188 VAC peak @ 3,000 Amps

More effective protectors use L-N, L-G, and G-N protection. Furman only uses L-N. Does not matter. They are selling to people who have no idea if protection works. Furman’s near zero protection is hyped subjectively as 100% protection. Because eyes routinely glaze over with numbers. And fewer do not know what those numbers mean.

Second, if all 6500 amps go line to neutral, then at 188 volts, it can ’block’ or ’absorb’ a surge that is less than 32 joules. How does that ’block’ or ’absorb’ surges that are near zero - hundreds or a thousand joules? It doesn’t. They needed you to completely ignore or completely misunderstand numbers. Your numbers define protection as close to zero as possible without being zero protection. Just enough above zero to by hyped as 100% protection.

Third, if 6500 amps are incoming, then what is an outgoing path? It is electricity. Both an incoming and an outgoing path to earth must exist. Incoming on AC mains. At the exact same time, that current is outgoing via attached appliances. They market to consumers who forget how electricity works and how surges do damage. Incoming on AC mains. At the same time, outgoing destructively to earth.

Fourth, that L-N protection for a surge seeking earth ground means a surge incoming on a black (hot) wire now has two destructive paths into attached appliances. No problem for tiny 100 joule surges. Since surges that tiny are routinely converted by electronics into rock stable, low DC voltages to safely power semiconductors. Better protection is already inside electronics.

Thank you for providing numbers. Numbers demonstrate what does work, what are expensive scams, and what you did not understand. Furman protector does nothing for surges inside and hunting for earth ground destructively via appliances. Protection has always been about earthing a destructive transient BEFORE it can enter a building. Always - as was standard even over 100 years ago.

whart -
best time to install surge protection is when footings are poured. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Learn about Ufer grounds. Ufer originally pioneered this technology to protect munitions dumps from direct lightning strikes. Same protection is in telephone COs so that a $multi-million switching computer does not suffer damage during thunderstorms. COs typically suffer about 100 surges per storm. How often is your town without phone service for four days while they replace that computer? Why is service maintained during and after each storm? Learn about the most critical item in a surge protection *system* - earth ground. Telcos do not waste money on Furman type protection.

One example of how a radio station installed an Ufer ground and what is best protection for so little money:
http://scott-inc.com/html/ufer.htm

More information:
http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/GB-HTML/HTML/UferGroundPsi~20030930.htm

Effective manufacturers who provide protectors from direct lighting strikes will not warranty protection. Best warranties are found on the least effective (and high profit) devices. Type is irrelevant. Type defines human safety parameters. For appliance protection, that protector must conduct at least 50,000 amps. Protection is never defined by a protector. Protection is defined by quality of and a low impedance (ie less than 10 foot) connection to single point earth ground. Ufer ground is an ideal example. Nobody will warranty what does the protection - earth ground.

That protector demonstrated by jea48 is rented from and installed by electric companies. Often a girl who reads meters might install it. Effective protection is that easy - but only if your earth ground both meets and exceeds code requirements.