Any comments on DAC going direct to power amplifier or to pre-ampliifer?


My local retailer HIGHLY RECOMMENDS the use of a pre-amplifier.  Bricasti believes that going direct to a power amplifier sounds better.  And, I also know that everyone had a "different opinion" about going direct or using a pre-amplifier.  

I am running my Bricast1 M1 SE DAC direct to my Hypex NCore NC400 Bridged Mono Block class D power amplifiers (no pre-amplifier) and like the sound quality very much.   

For me, the sound is more natural and clearer by going direct to a power amplifier. Of course, I think the M1 SE DAC has special “custom" circuits in the analog section to make it sound so good. I returned home and listened to my system.  It sounds terrific and I continue to enjoy and recommend the Bricasti M1 SE DAC.

Please note that we removed the R141 (circuit) from my Hypex NCore NC400 bridged mono blocks, thus lowering amplifier gain by 14 dB, requiring 14 dB higher M1 volume setting for same playback level.  Bricasti says the goal is to have the M1 CLOSE to 0db front panel attenuation.  If you reduce the volume on the M1 SE DAC, you cause more bit reduction meaning you lose sound quality.   We discussed this modification with Hypex and they approved the removal of the R141 circuit.  They suggested we be very careful removing the 4 R141 chips (for my 4 NC400 amplifiers) to avoid board damage.  

I noticed that many of the newer DAC’s (even the new Ayre QX-5 Twenty DAC and many others) have volume controls meaning their DAC/Pre-amplifiers are designed to go direct to a power amplifier (as an option, of course).  

What are your experiences of going direct to a power amplifier or using a pre-amplifier?  Have you compared going direct vs. going to a pre-amplfier and noticed any sound quality differences?  Have you gotten different results from using different DAC's and amplifiers?   Your comments are appreciated.  Thanks.





hgeifman
I have the same Bricasti M1SE as you do and have tried direct and through a preamp. My preamp is the Audio Research Reference 10 which is a no contest in my system the Preamp in the chain makes it much better. Better dynamics more realistic sound stage better spacial qualities to the music. I have tried other DAC's as well as other preamps and in my room a preamp is always better. 
I also prefer a PreAmp in the chain verses DAC direct BUT with that said and speaking about Briscasti specifically, I have a hunch the new M12 would change my mind about DAC direct. Though, at that point it would only be a kinda DAC direct setup : )

I'm saving my pennies for the M12 as the component to take to my grave. I mean, you gotta make a choice and get off this audiophile train at some point otherwise before you know it you will be retired and have nothing but a bad a$$ system to show for it. Who needs food!
I am running MSB Analog DAC direct to my Pass Labs Xa100.8.   Adding a preamp always added coloration .  The MSB volume control provides near total resolution at very very low almost inaudible volume. Thereafter full resolution. I also preferred direct to power amp with my Wadia 521. Full resolution attained at volume over 66%. Setting output level on the Wadia had me using volume from 70% upwards comfortably. Running direct sounds more natural 
The only way to decide which path is "better" is to simply go with and without a preamp in one's own system and then choose which path floats one's individualised personal boat more..... :)

Tried that today and with my system the staging is much better with the preamp. ALSO SEEMS THE BASS IS MRE CONTROLLED.