Ohm Walsh Micro Talls: who's actually heard 'em?

Here I am with some more info to add to our arsenal of knowledge and understanding about our beloved Ohm speakers. It took some extra time to pull together additional charts to show what really is happening through the frequency sweep. I always suspected the Walsh driver to be great but not fantastic in the upper frequency region. After looking closely at the Walsh driver the conclusion must be that the application is brilliant, but not the latest in resolution or frequency extension.  

The Walsh driver works like an “F” driver but nowhere near it’s extension in the treble region, and if you are really honest at all, there’s very little difference between a front firing woofer/midrange driver and the Walsh driver. The difference is a removed dust cap and some tacky glue on the lower (bass) part  (for damping I suspect). The 360 degrees off radiating sound is certainly one of the appealing reason for getting the Ohm’s.

Let’s take a look at the different readouts. The first will be a 3D plot that shows both time and frequency in a dimensional way. The brighter the sweep is the more energy is emanating from the driver, you can also see valleys which are low energy areas. These measurements were taken at approx 15 inches from the drivers so I don’t think the room boundaries made any difference at all.  The driver was the original soft dome tweeter, no extra EQ the only difference would be that it’s not confined behind foam, paint, perforated steel and speaker cloth I.E. no CAN. (4 layers)

Image one:

The Walsh driver no tweeter. Volume would be at about mid 80db, loud but not overly so. The bass frequency is a seams a bit on the plump side and then a suddenly a drop in energy way earlier then expected.  (wideband Pink Noise).

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Image two:

Here you have a full frequency sweep allowing you to really see what’s going on, and suddenly it drops of the cliff at 16k.  (wideband Pink Noise).

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Image three:

Walsh with stock tweeter, no EQ, padded cabinet but no OE padding which would consist of a 3 inch layer of re-constituted (shredded and glued together) denim, fluffy Dacron and an upper layer of netting separating the fluffy stuff from the Walsh driver. The graph confirms the 3D plot, very bass heavy and then it falls of pretty fast. These measurements were taken approx 1meter from both drivers. Frequency sweep 20-20khz

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Image four:

Walsh driver, stock tweeter, EQ and complete stuffing. 20-20khz

Wow look at that curve, so much better…Way better and more midrange/treble energy. And the bass is under control.

Very little smoothing as I really like to see all the ripples warts and all. The EQ was used with a tender touch nothing heavy handed.

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Image five: (white trace)

Walsh driver stock tweeter, no EQ, light stuffing 20-200hz

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Image six: (yellow trace)

Walsh driver, stock tweeter, no EQ, complete stuffing 20-200hz

A small but clear difference if you look closely, a slightly flatter curve, but remember this is a very small slice of the whole frequency curve.

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Image seven:

Walsh driver, ribbon tweeter, EQ and complete stuffing 20-20khz

As mentioned earlier the impedance value is 5 ohm’s on this tweeter, so that will certainly add to some compatibility issues. But looking at the curve it’s pretty darn good and I think with some additional tweaking I could have done more. Below you’ll find an additional image of the same setup but 20 degrees off axis.

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Peter I don’t understand what’s going on with the gradual roll off shown with tweeters in play. I’ve never seen that in any speaker. Charts of 2nd gen OHm walsh speakers from later 80s I have seen in the past were more typically flat, nothing that unusual. NEwer versions are supposedly not so radically different sounding. EQ should not be needed to that extent.

Do you have baseline plots of the speakers originally for comparison? Could there be something wrong in the crossover at this point?

Is it even known for certain speakers were in good working order to start? What prompted you to take them apart?

This is very interesting but the relationship between what is measured currently versus originally in properly working speakers is not clear at all  at this point.

Hi Mapman....

I used multiple software versions to see if there's some issues
but nothing is changing, if anything it's showing about the same
readout from test to test. Go back in my posts and I have mentioned the 2.5k drop off many times and there's nothing beyond that number. 
Nothing wrong with the speakers, as a matter of fact I mentioned how much I love them, but I'm the fiddling man and with that most everything get upgraded. 

There was nothing wrong at all, both measures the same (what's the chance both are screwed up). I do think people expect more then the Walsh driver can deliver. 
I just deleted those pesky (lol) switches very interesting and man does he use cheap wire in the switching network....🇸🇪

Here you go, the original measurement of the Walsh driver...
http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/peterhorvath6233/media/image_zpsomfobhuk.jpeg.html?sort=4&o=8

As for roll off, did you measure it? Or was it just feeling that it was extended way past 16k? remember unless your'e under 30 the chance you can even hear 12k is slim.