As I wrote, I’ve been working my way through this thread, now at page 22. There’s something I would have written then, an observation - not mediation - that still seems relevant. Namely, lay off mapman - and mapman, what are you still doing here? As to the first, mapman was very clear that he did not hear the differences most others were reporting, and that in his approach he is uncomfortable with changes, e.g., tweaks, that can’t be sufficiently explained, at least to his thinking. That’s a perfectly principled opinion, but wasn’t accepted; a few frequent contributors made clear they weren’t going to let it go. There may be no cult or perhaps clique here, but some people sure started to act like it. And here we are, a few dozen web pages and many months later, and it’s still going on! It’s almost as if there’s little or nothing to talk about if the exchange doesn’t keep on. Which leads to a second observation, really a question: mapman, having come to your conclusion, why didn’t you move on? Perhaps there’s something in the 45 ensuing pages that explains why this continues, but from the discussion now it sure reads like a process - more like a sore - that’s built on itself. In any case, it doesn’t make for pleasant, informative or thought provoking reading to this new entrant (who has three blacks on order to see first how they do in my nearfield desktop system vs. Furutechs).