LaScalla "horn" sound compared to "maggie" sound


I am quite satisfied with the sound I have with my current system, but am looking for a little spice and variety in my life.  There is a set of circa 1977  LaScalas available in my part of the country and I wonder how the sound might be as compared to my current Magnepan 1.7 set up?  I know it is apples and oranges, but I like both.  Chocolate is my favorite ice cream, but I also like strawberry sometimes.

My general understanding, or perhaps misunderstanding, is that the Lascala/horn type of speaker has the wonderful life-like midrange, are quite dynamic, won't go real low in the bass region, and may be sweet or ragged on the top end depending on who you talk to, set up, and what you feed them.

I could go listen to these, but the sources are inferior and the room would be different from mine.  I really can't get a good grip on a different sound until I can sit back in the Hefty-Boy and assimilate it slowly.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

My current system is:

TT- VPI Classic 1 with Soundsmith Zephyr cart.
Phono stage- Herron Audio VTPH2
Digital/CD- Simaudio Moon Supernova
Preamp- Herron Audio VTSP3A
Power Amp- Bryston 4BSST2
Subs- Rel T5's
abnerjack
@whart,

what you said about imaging being a non issue because of the in room presence with horns was something I heard first hand recently and was exactly what I was thinking at the time. The gentleman had modified a pair of Klipschhorns with Oris horns on top driven by Welborne set amps and Hypex amps on the bass bins. It was astonishing, unlike anything I've heard from expensive stats or box speakers.

The in room presence and lifelike presentation was truly remarkable.

Sir:  I own 4 pairs of Wilson's , 4-5 pairs of Pro-Ac's, 4-5 Pairs of large Altec's and 2 pairs of Lascallas and 1/2 a pair of K-horns.......I bought my LaScallas from a guy on Craiglist list for 500.00 if he would deliver them to me  (about 100 miles away)....The guy shows up with these speakers in the back of 53 chevy pick-up........He told me he bought them out of a air-plane hangar in Germany and shipped them back to his home in the US.....They looked like they had been dragged back from Germany.......They were  big time beat up.........I hooked them up to one of my 2 watt tube amps and it was over for me.........I quickly went out and bought another pair for 800.00 and carried them home, the woofers were blown up so the seller gave me back 400.00.....I cut those in half like the "VOLTI" mods and am in the process of painting them Black high gloss lacquer........Don't listen to them if you don't have room for them or you will be putting a addition on your house......autospec
Good horns are "in your face" alive like nothing else.  None of the big Klipsch speakers I've heard can deliver the very bottommost bass via the horn - it would have to be too large - but that never bothered me while listening.  The condition of the crossover and tweeter really matter and upgrades can be very effective.  To me tiny Class A tube amps - the DHTs in particular - sound best with them.  These setups can stand your hair on end and blow it back.

Paul Klipsch said that the world needed a good FIVE watt amp.  The average home speaker produces about 87dB sound level output at 1 meter with 1 watt electrical input.  Klipschorns, I believe, produce 105dB. Remember that each 3dB increase is twice as loud...  the Klipschorns will play 64 times as loud as the average speaker with the same input power.  With the horn acoustically loading the drivers, they also present a very benign load to the amplifier - unlike screen speakers they are an easy load for tube amps no matter how small.
I have owned both Lascalas, and Maggie 1.6. The Lascalas need a big room. I drove Lascalas with a 45 tube amp. Nothing I have ever heard approached the live like dynamics of the Lascalas in my room. I have owned scores of speakers. Only a 45 tube amp seemed to tame somewhat the "slight glare" of the high frequency horns in the Lascalas. Forget solid state. I had 2a3 and 300b, but 2 watts of 45 tube amp sounded best to me. Like I said though, it tamed them "somewhat'. I ultimatlely could not take the glare despite xover upgrades, and room treatments, and sold them. I think my 12 by 24 ft. Room size had a lot to do with it also. If I ever get a house with a larger room, I will definately find another pair of Lascalas, or Klipschorns, and 45 amp.
abnerjack --

The potential of the LaScala’s is relative to a combination of factors which may deter somewhat from your present situation. A significant impact is your first listen which, as you already proposed, would take place in different surroundings and with different equipment. I’d wager you should still be able to gain some rudimentary understanding of the sonic abilities (and character) they possess. To get from here to a decision with regard to purchase may take a leap of faith, and if such a decision is made (or even prior to it) you would have to consider achieving their fuller potential; my first step here would be towards the right amplification which could include SET’s, SIT’s (solid state) or any single ended low wattage class-A solution (SS). At least as important would be considering a more widespread refurbishment of the LaScala’s themselves with the aid of the likes of ALK Engineering. What’s entailed here is new drivers for the mids and tweeters with new horns, and crossovers. Perhaps it might be preferable updating the bass drivers as well (from Bob Crites) being the pair you’re looking at are some 40 years old, but if they sound fine here I see no reason than to simply maintain them as they are. I know this refurbishment sounds radical, and it would add a significant expense, but this way you would come to avoid the shrillness or harshness some have reported to find in the original speakers, combined with a fuller, more effortless and rounded (i.e.: natural) sonic presentation.

You may have heard of US-based Volti Audio (who are also delivering upgrade kits to some of the Klipsch Heritage models) who are known for the Vittora model, which are from-ground-up built speakers heavily inspired by the LaScala’s. Reading reviews of them would give you an idea of the level of sonic potential following a refurbishment of the LaScala’s. Myself I own a pair of Simon Mears Audio Uccello’s, which are from-ground-up handmade speakers based on the Belle Klipsch (the "Belle" version of the LaScala’s) - the UK equivalent in a sense to the Vittora’s, but not sonically similar - but with different midrange and tweeter drivers + horns and crossovers compared to the Vittora’s. A review of the Uccello’s can be found over at Dagogo.com, which would also give you an idea of the sonic potential here.

Going by the Uccello’s you get a very coherent, dynamic, effortless, and crisp yet warm presentation. They’re very present-sounding and still easy on the ears. The overall presentation strikes one as an encompassing, lively-vibrant sphere. Their signature is grounded in the upper bass/lower midrange which seems to define the sound with a more resonant and rich presentation than found in typical direct radiating speakers, and this is where listeners are divided - at least as an outset. I find this to be both a character and a quality, for most speakers seem to rid the sound of an important energy and timbre found in live music in this particular frequency range, going instead rather anemic, lean or even bleached. What amazes me again and again is their prowess with classical music; piano in particular sounds more real and alive than most other speakers I’ve heard (and I’ve heard quite a lot), as does jazz in general - not least the saxophone, which is almost scary in its unrestrained there-ness, dynamics and natural tonality. Music seems un-covered. Studio productions are a mixed bag - the morphing soundscapes here vary wildly, from outright underwhelming and collapsing to rather natural and open. The sonic manipulations at play here borders the crazy. One area perhaps to emphasize with the Uccello’s is their midrange, which is downright spectacular. Forget about them being horns. Play them hellishly loud and they are absolutely stoic and fully at ease; play them low volume and yet they are informative and alive. The insight, cleanliness and naturalness of tone is something to behold. The bass rolls off quickly below 50-60Hz, but is tuneful, enveloping, and agile. Add subs if finding them too lean here, but not just any sub.

Sorry for the long post. Finally someone wrote about horns of the likes one can at least partially relate to. Hope some of what’s written here is useful.