Very BIG Room? Music and Home Theatre Challenge


Could anyone please comment on issues that come to mind when setting up audio and home theatre in a big, barn like room?

I have been asked by a friend for some advice on a soon to be renovated "great room" which will be converted from a barn that was attached to their house.

Therefore, the new room will connect with the kitchen and extend to approximately 25' wide by 60' long with 14-15 foot ceilings.

The walls are made of stone and the floor is hardwood.

At the far end of the room, there will be a new chimney and fireplace installed, and the only brief I have so far is that will do lots of entertaining in this room, have a bar, and approximately 3 different seating areas within the room, and would consider a large projection or display device over the new fireplace.

The room is naturally pretty dark, which I hope will help with the video aspect.

As a Magneplanar fan, I would like to recommend 3.6s and all the Maggie surround sound speakers, but I need to learn more about their tastes and preferences.

I do know my friend loves to watch football and tennis, so I am also thinking HDTV in a big screen format.

But any ideas for such a project would be greatly appreciated.
cwlondon
I too can understand your desire to consider the Magnepans as they are a wonderfully musical and awesome value speaker. I too owned the 3.3/3.5's for 6 years and it was mighty tough to let go of their strengths. They are perfectly suited for music-based systems in moderately sized rooms, but ultimately their lack of dynamics makes them not an ideal choice for HT setups in any sized rooms.....forget about it in the room you describe. The series 20 will not be any different here.

I will comment however that all planars are not created equal and perhaps the SoundLabs might be a viable choice if you are seeking the strengths of such a speaker. There is a new model, nearly 9' tall, that is supposedly even more efficient than the latest versions of the other SL models. As an owner of the A1s, there is not an issue of covering the low end at all. In an HT based system, you will have any number of subwoofers so no speakers need to cover the bottom octave anyway but the SL's cover this area like the Magnepans can not match at all.

Speaker issues aside, I recall that A'gon member Mike Lavigne did quite a writeup on the efforts to build a big room, electrical circuits, acoustical treatments, etc. I would think he could steer you in the right direction in many key areas.
I say look at some older klipsch Heritage speakers like the Lascalas or cornwalls, or Chorus. These are all around 100db efficient and work great in a big room. I have the Klipsch Epics Cf3's. They are 100 dB efficient and they can crank with uncompressed sound that can easily fill a large room. I can only imagine a room with those all around, it would be awesome. Their size and looks are perfect for a big space like that as well. Or look for some speakers that are used in a movie theater. I also vote for a front projection system of some kind. Mine is a 90" diagonal but will soon go up to a 106" when I get my new projector.
That room will be alot of fun to create. Best of Luck for your friend.
any comments on Wilsons for BIG rooms?

...thinking Watt Puppies, not Max, or WHAMM or Alexandria or whatever.....

and appreciate all the cautions about Maggies in a big room.

However, would those concerns be mitigated somewhat by sitting closer to the speakers? Or would the sound still be swallowed up?

Thanks for suggestions so far.
One option to consider is a line source speaker which has less db drop per distance than a point source speaker. I have seen and heard the Wisdom Audio million dollar home theater set up in a large venue with the sound radiating clearly throughout the exhibition hall of the Reno Home and Garden show. Very impressive! I ended up getting the Adrenaline Rush speaker system because of the impression it made on me. You might not want to spend a million dollars but I am sure that there is something about the line source phenomenon that will impress you.
Nope, can't do the Maggies for your room/application...pass.
It will be a dynamic downfall for you, and you'll be the only one excited about the prospect of good sound in the room.
I would recommend higher dynamic output systems,like Infinity Prelude MTS system for higher end, refined sound with dynamics and efficiency (multiple drivers/850w 12" woofers). Also, NHT's powered sub systems, like VT3's and such for the clear, detailed, uncolored, "Maggie sound" from piston speakers. These will give give you a solid blend of the clear refined sound you like,wiht the authority and projection of sound you need, with prescence/impact.
On the Mid-fi level, Klipsch Reference Horns will also be solid in the room, limit side and floor reflections greatly, for better sound in your difficult acoustic space for reflections..even a bit more than the other Dappolito designs. Still, all these Dappolito/horn/THX designs will help you here when you sit back further into the room, or are in the middle/back.
Again, otherwise, you need lots of acoustical pannels around the room, which you should do anyway, however.
Here's another "movie theater sound system" to look at and read about, to give you input. Check out www.professionalhomecinema.com, and consider.
Still, if I were putting together your system, and you said "Maggies" to me...I'd steer you toward the Infinities or NHT's likely. Otherwise, Wilson Cub's for more money, but tricker placment, high sensitivity and such. If you mentioned Wilson, I'd recommend these, they're Dappolito configured, as refined as you'll want, more placment options, and designed for movie playback, and high end sound.
good luck...lot's to consider.
Oh, I'd do big LCD or DLP for you in that room, yes.
Probably on at least a 140" screen or larger, and scaled to 720p or better