Jazz for aficionados

The Election:
As bad as you might think things are now, they would be worst if she had won.   She was the greater threat.  Once he gets over the shock that he actually won, he will settle down.

New Posters:
Why the obsession with new posters?  The current posters are burden enough.

Cheers

**** What exactly does a record Producer do? ****

So sorry to burden you with an answer to your question:

A music producer does very much what a director does in the making of a film. A distinction should be made between the executive producer and the music producer when both are listed. The executive producer handles the financial aspects of the project. The music producer can be the person that conceives the project and chooses the backing musicians and arrangers (when necessary) when there is a featured soloist and the recording engineer unless there is one on staff in the case of an artist under contract. As discussed previously, producers have different styles; some choose to let the players do their thing and exercise little influence on the final product while some can be very controlling of every aspect of the process; choose the tunes and even the tempos. For many of the classic recordings discussed here there is relatively little "producing" that is required since there is usually only a rhythm section and horn front line involved in a pretty standard live-performance-like setup; or it could be as simple as a piano trio or solo piano. In these situations the producer may help choose the material and assist the engineer in developing how the recording will "present" the music. The producer may be chosen by the record label that the artist is under contract with or may be chosen by the artist to assist, manage and realize the artist’s vision for the project.

In the case of projects like many of the CTI recordings where the music is very "arranged" with the use of horn sections, string and woodwind sections, extra percussion and perhaps even backing vocalists it all becomes much more complicated. In many situations like these the producer’s vision can supersede the artist’s; of course, it is usually a combination of both. It should be easy to understand how going this route opens up many "cans of worms" on the way to the final product. A producer or record lable may have a certain sonic aesthetic in mind for their product which they feel can only be achieved by separating all the players or singers and putting each in separate "booths" where they are each isolated from each other and they listen to each other via headphones. This can work, depending on the skill of the engineer and quality of the studio, but the results are seldom as musically organic as they are when the musicians have some physical connection in the same room and can hear each other acoustically at least in part. Some music lends itself much more to complex production values. Imo, generally speaking, with jazz (particularly acoustic jazz) there occurs a kind of clash when there is complex production involved, while electric jazz and pop can really benefit from all the electronic tools available to musicians and producers; in these genres these tools can be considered and used as musical instruments themselves. Of course, it is the producer’s skill and musical integrity that determines whether these tools serve and benefit the music or do no more than create a mess.

Frogman, with all due respect, I could not care less if there are no more regular posters on this thread or not. Whether I could care less or not, it won't make any difference. When you and Learsfool did nothing but harass me, day after day, that made no difference, but now my comments make a difference.

If you just ignored my comments, they would make much less of a difference; it is you who are drawing attention to my comments. Comments are not meant for everyone who posts, but only those who are interested in such comments.

While it would be nice if we had all these posters, it ain't going to happen, not because of my comments, but because it hasn't happened in 3 years; Frogman, you are using my comments as a scapegoat for your dream of all these posters, when your best bet is to ignore my comments or respond to them, but you do neither. Now, I have to respond to your comment about my comment, when if you had made a comment in regard to music, I would respond to that, and we would be on your musical discussion, but now we are a long way from your musical discussion.

Ignoring a comment that's only apparently meant for one person is nothing new at all; for example, you and Learsfool could go on for days on a "classical" discussion, when this is a "jazz" thread, and I never objected. That comment would have drawn a short response, plus another comment on music would have been included; but look what we got now?

You got my intentions all wrong; they are neither Republican, or Democrat, but what's wrong when they get together behind closed doors. Every body knows what "Law and Order is", but it doesn't apply to the oligarchs who steal billions. Recently, I got a prescription filled that cost over $200. which would have cost $13. not long ago.


      http://www.aarp.org/health/drugs-supplements/info-2015/prices-spike-for-generic-drugs.html


Things have gotten completely out of hand, and it's neither Democrat or Republican, it's about corruption and greed; now the rich are robbing the poor, and their doing it perfectly legal like, the way the rich always do everything. Vets were being robbed by high drug prices prescribed by the VA; but as long as the rich are robbing the poor, and doing it legally, because it has been approved by the politicians, it's OK.

People like me are called "Whistle Blowers". We didn't get protection from Barak Obama, and I don't think we'll get it from Donald Trump; we pay a high price for what we believe, but that's the cost of Democracy.

Thank you Frogman for making this post a necessity.

O-10, as always, this is a case of "Mars/Venus"; two very different outlooks, frames of reference and interpretations of reality. I could stress that it is you that keeps bringing up the subject of new posters, but I think it is more productive, since I DO care that there be more posters, to point out (WHEN ASKED BY YOU, YOURSELF) what I think the reasons are for why there aren’t more. Now you claim that you don’t care one way or the other.  Convenient?; or just sad? Look, O-10, you want to control the exchanges in this thread; it just doesn’t work that way. You want to be able to express views that relate, directly or indirectly, to other or all ACTIVE participants here, but you want specific individuals to just "ignore" you. Really?! As has been suggested before, if you want to be "exclusive" with comments, especially comments with which you express some sort of "moral or intellectual superiority" over all other ACTIVE participants, don’t you think that the best way is to pm the individual that you want exclusivity with? Or, is your goal to force all the "non-exclusives" to witness your "superiority" by posting your comments in a PUBLIC forum while allowing no means to express other views other than your own? I hope that you are able to see the arrogance of this goal and I hope this is not the case.

Regards, and I hope we can get back to the subject of music without too much damage.

Btw, you being the OP, and if you care about the relevance of this thread, I would encourage you to go back over the past posts that you feel "harassed" you and hopefully the passage of time will help you understand how much you have misrepresented what really happened and was going on at the time.

Imo, one of the most beautifully produced records featuring a jazz artist.  All the things that can become a "can of worms" in the hands of a lesser producer: the use of arrangements that use strings and woodwinds compliment the overall attitude of the music and, most importantly, the style of the soloist beautifully.  George Avakian, producer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLQQLNys0yJ0sI-DMKnb0JAJ49VfNYnC_d&v=_2cTgUK3MQY