ctsooner,
" What you completely fail to understand is that 99% of anyone, will not be able to use 2 other cabinets in their room, especially since they too have to be placed in specific positions based on your theory."
I'm beginning to feel like we both just completed our first lap in our ongoing discussion on Choosing a Subwoofer and we're heading back into turn #1 to run lap #1 all over again.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather not rehash points we already made in previous posts on this thread.
I think we've both already made our viewpoints on choosing a subwoofer clear.
I'm going to excuse myself from this thread by making a few additional points and summarizing my thoughts on this subject for posterity:
DBAs using a minimum of four subs have been scientifically proven to work incredibly well in providing excellent bass response in virtually any room of any size or shape.
Complete DBA systems, such as the Audio Kinesis Swarm and Debra systems, offer very good bass response at a relatively affordable price of about $3K.
Custom DBA systems can be created by anyone using four even higher quality subs that they prefer. However, these may be considerably more expensive with possibly only marginal improvements.
If state of the art (SOA) bass response is sought, a DBA using at least 4 subs is required.
Those numerous Audiogon members and others that believe achieving great bass response is just a matter of finding the right brand or model sub and using 1 or 2 in their system will continue to be disappointed in the results not because their chosen sub is not good enough but because they used too few of them.
Any bass systems not utilizing at least 4 subs will be a compromise according to acoustical experts and my personal experience. Systems using 3 or fewer subs may perform sufficiently well to satisfy their owners at a single designated listening position but allow too many bass standing waves to exist in their rooms to qualify as a SOA bass system.
Properly setup DBAs result in consistently very good bass response throughout the entire room, not just a designated sweet spot. This makes it an ideal solution for HT use with multiple seating.
ctsooner has claimed that 99% of people will not be able to accommodate 4 subs in their rooms. 99% smells suspiciously to me like a POOMA number; a number ctsooner would likely admit under oath that "I pulled out of my ass".
Anyone unable or unwilling to accommodate 4 subs in their rooms will, unfortunately, have to settle for less intrusive solutions that will have lower quality bass performance.
Those who are serious about attaining SOA bass performance in their rooms will find a way to accommodate the 4 required subs.
The distributed bass array (DBA) method was initially a theory proposed by 2 acoustical physics PHDs, Dr. Geddes and Dr. O'Toole. These 2 experts subsequently conducted scientific experiments that validated their theory and published a White Paper detailing the theory, testing method, results and conclusions. The gist of their primary conclusion was that bass standing waves, in a wide variety of room sizes and shapes tested, continue to be reduced as more bass source points (subs) are added. They state that the majority of bass standing waves were reduced at the point that 4 subs were operating, with additional subs only having marginal affect.
As their results were consistently duplicated by other acoustic experts via independent scientific testing, the use of DBA systems to provide excellent bass performance in virtually any room transformed from a theory into a proven and universally accepted solution among acoustic experts.
I stated the above facts to make it clear that the DBA method is not 'my theory' but a theory proposed and proven valid by a couple of PHD acoustical engineers.
Okay, I believe that summarizes my current thoughts on subwoofers and bass systems.
I wrote this likely final post on this thread with the intent to share with current and future thread readers what I've learned and the solution I ultimately discovered on my long journey to achieve excellent bass response in my system in my room.
I hope this viewpoint will benefit others on a similar search.
Thanks,
Tim
" What you completely fail to understand is that 99% of anyone, will not be able to use 2 other cabinets in their room, especially since they too have to be placed in specific positions based on your theory."
I'm beginning to feel like we both just completed our first lap in our ongoing discussion on Choosing a Subwoofer and we're heading back into turn #1 to run lap #1 all over again.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather not rehash points we already made in previous posts on this thread.
I think we've both already made our viewpoints on choosing a subwoofer clear.
I'm going to excuse myself from this thread by making a few additional points and summarizing my thoughts on this subject for posterity:
DBAs using a minimum of four subs have been scientifically proven to work incredibly well in providing excellent bass response in virtually any room of any size or shape.
Complete DBA systems, such as the Audio Kinesis Swarm and Debra systems, offer very good bass response at a relatively affordable price of about $3K.
Custom DBA systems can be created by anyone using four even higher quality subs that they prefer. However, these may be considerably more expensive with possibly only marginal improvements.
If state of the art (SOA) bass response is sought, a DBA using at least 4 subs is required.
Those numerous Audiogon members and others that believe achieving great bass response is just a matter of finding the right brand or model sub and using 1 or 2 in their system will continue to be disappointed in the results not because their chosen sub is not good enough but because they used too few of them.
Any bass systems not utilizing at least 4 subs will be a compromise according to acoustical experts and my personal experience. Systems using 3 or fewer subs may perform sufficiently well to satisfy their owners at a single designated listening position but allow too many bass standing waves to exist in their rooms to qualify as a SOA bass system.
Properly setup DBAs result in consistently very good bass response throughout the entire room, not just a designated sweet spot. This makes it an ideal solution for HT use with multiple seating.
ctsooner has claimed that 99% of people will not be able to accommodate 4 subs in their rooms. 99% smells suspiciously to me like a POOMA number; a number ctsooner would likely admit under oath that "I pulled out of my ass".
Anyone unable or unwilling to accommodate 4 subs in their rooms will, unfortunately, have to settle for less intrusive solutions that will have lower quality bass performance.
Those who are serious about attaining SOA bass performance in their rooms will find a way to accommodate the 4 required subs.
The distributed bass array (DBA) method was initially a theory proposed by 2 acoustical physics PHDs, Dr. Geddes and Dr. O'Toole. These 2 experts subsequently conducted scientific experiments that validated their theory and published a White Paper detailing the theory, testing method, results and conclusions. The gist of their primary conclusion was that bass standing waves, in a wide variety of room sizes and shapes tested, continue to be reduced as more bass source points (subs) are added. They state that the majority of bass standing waves were reduced at the point that 4 subs were operating, with additional subs only having marginal affect.
As their results were consistently duplicated by other acoustic experts via independent scientific testing, the use of DBA systems to provide excellent bass performance in virtually any room transformed from a theory into a proven and universally accepted solution among acoustic experts.
I stated the above facts to make it clear that the DBA method is not 'my theory' but a theory proposed and proven valid by a couple of PHD acoustical engineers.
Okay, I believe that summarizes my current thoughts on subwoofers and bass systems.
I wrote this likely final post on this thread with the intent to share with current and future thread readers what I've learned and the solution I ultimately discovered on my long journey to achieve excellent bass response in my system in my room.
I hope this viewpoint will benefit others on a similar search.
Thanks,
Tim