Jazz for aficionados

When I hear the Blues, Gospel, Spirituals and Jazz, I hear the USA, primarily, the Southern USA. Ain't nothing like it anywhere else.

Rok, this is what I heard as a child, nothing has changed. Most Blacks are from the South and I don't mean South Africa.

This Cuban music contains the best elements of Africa and Spain; presently, I don't like either one of them undiluted; but they came up with the right combination here. You won't find music this good in Spain or Africa.

I remember when they told me that stuff Ricky Ricardo on the Lucy show was playing was Cuban music. Why did they have to throw "Hollywood" in everybody's music?

One of my favorite old movies is "The Casbah". Katherine Dunham has the part of "Odette" in this movie, and they paid her for this dance thing, which is funny, because I've seen her dance troupe, and I know she didn't tell them to do anything like that.

What's funny Rok, is that although they paid her, they never used her choreography; in the end, they always used whatever funny steps hollywood prescribed. Back then, as long as they got paid, who cared.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LASYzcH67F0


This stuff is really funny when we can use our PC to go back in time.


Enjoy the music.

Let me conclude our current debate before we move on. That debate concerned "modern jazz" as has been defined as jazz that originated with "bebop" and for our purposes ended in the 70's.

The debate was over whether or not African music had anything to do with the origination of this music, and the conclusion was no it didn't according to the majority of "Aficionados"

Now we are into Cuban music, "Son cubano is a genre of music and dance that originated in the highlands of eastern Cuba during the late 19th century. It is a syncretic genre that amalgamates elements of Spanish and African origin. This is the official definition, and also describes the sound of this music.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJ4hF8EBZg&list=RDZpJ4hF8EBZg#t=16


This album is an introduction to "Son Cubano"; I hope we can all stay on the same page for awhile. The last time I was able to make a considerable high quality increase in my collection was when we stayed on the same page, and investigated a single musician. I am positive that we have not been exposed to nearly enough of this music, and can make many positive discoveries if we stay into it long enough.

Acman, you seem to have ears for the best in a new genre of music; therefore, I have confidence that you will choose music which I will add to my collection.



Enjoy the music.

Today's Exploration:

THE ORIGINAL MAMBO KINGS: AN INTRODUCTION TO AFRO-CUBOP

Machito Orch with Mario Bauza, Machito Orch with Flip Phillips,  
Machito Orch with Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie and his Orchestra and Andre's All Stars(Bebo Valdes).

Did this mesh of Cuban and Bebop work?   At least as Parker and Dizzy played bebop.   Does 'Cubop' still exist?

Of all the heavyweights involved I liked The Andre All Stars best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V_ff9Y9aWw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJI-ZTVpRcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3fuAiOYXc

Cheers

For the record, it is not true, and a distortion of what the "debate" was about that "a majority of Aficionados concluded that African music had nothing to do with the origination of" bebop.  Lets look at the facts:  three regular contributors and one new commented at all on the topic.  Of the regulars one said NO, one said MAYBE A LITTLE, and one said YES.  The new poster suggested that the answer was YES.  We don't know how the others who did comment feel about this.  Why is this important?  Because it is important to have clarity about what goes on here; but, most importantly, and regardless of what some may think, this notion goes completely counter to everything authoritative that has been written or said on the subject.  Now, back to the regular programming of fake musicology.  

***** this notion goes completely counter to everything authoritative that has been written or said on the subject.*****

Ridiculous statement.   Stop and think for a moment, of all the 'authoritative' things that have been written throughout history. Sometimes 'Authoritative' documents can land people into everything from the back of the bus to gas chambers and ovens.

So, no more about 'Authoritative' statements written by the 'authorities'.

Cheers