Jazz for aficionados

You may try, and I commend you for trying; but, you often come across as being all over the place. Are we talking about music or are we talking about audiophiles? In the context of this discussion, who cares about audiophiles. Remember, this all started as a result of an article claiming to explain why KOB was so great and so popular. Not, popular among audiophiles, but simply popular. Are you telling us that the millions of owners of a copy of KOB own $240K systems? It's popular to that degree because it was an important and very good recording. It may not be the best but it is undeniably a great one all things considered. Now, enough of the nonsense; let's talk music. I presented specific musical examples of why KOB and SE both have merit and downsides. "I like it better" doesn't cut it. Tell me, with specific examples, why what I said is not true. Both KOB and SE are excellent records. Tell me why that is not true. Dig a little deeper.

There's no doubt I over reacted because I couldn't find words to express my emotions, when you said "standards", which was factually accurate, but they took those standards where they have never been before, and although I hear this every time I play that album, I can't find words to express it; evidently I'm too close emotionally to this album.

I feel so much more comfortable responding to this Miles cut; I'm not sure if I've heard it before, but I like it. I see why I don't have it; it was released in 67, and that was when I was into "The Age of Aquarius", that "hippy thing"; but so was Miles; it may not have been reflected in his music, but it was certainly reflected in his dress and lifestyle. I can lay back, chill and really get into this album, especially since I haven't heard it before.

Thanks for the heads-up, I'm going to put it on my play-list.

Enjoy the music.

I,ME, MYSELF, preferred the Tunes and the solos on SE. Case closed. End of discussion. Nothing you can say will change that. That's called a fact of life. You cannot determine and dictate what other people like.

***"I like it better" doesn't cut it*****

Millions of people saying "I like it better", is why it's the best selling Jazz album of all time!!! It does cut it!!

Netflix time. More later.

Cheers

O-10, from the same period and if someone forced me at gunpoint to pick my favorite Miles record this would be it. Amazing rhythm section; Tony Williams kills and Wayne Shorter is on fire. As far as I am concerned this is some of the very best jazz on record. Highly recommended/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vWdTXy80Lk&list=PLCB9AD592FDC73455

Rok, in the interest of civility, I will end the nonsense in this discussion by leaving you with this (arrogant) little nugget which will hopefully highlight the differences in attitude and approach to all this. From my vantage point, one is positive and forward looking while the other is negative, cynical and adds little of substance:

As has already been pointed out this all began (this time round) with the Kaplan article. I expressed my disagreement with some of the points he made (one in particular) and you went on to bash the guy and call him a farce without a single specific substantive point of disagreement and only blanket condemnation. I pointed out that KOB has probably introduced. more audiophiles to jazz than anything else. You then take that comment as an opportunity to bash audiophiles. Gee, I thought it was a positive that audiophiles might be exposed to jazz. Importantly, in all the subsequent audiophile-bashing in this discussion, not once was the other reason that KOB has become an audiophile fave mentioned: it sounds so darn good (as well as being fairly accessible and good jazz).

Then the attempts at comparing KOB to SE began; a good and potentially interesting exercise. I made it very clear that I consider BOTH records to be excellent and described with some (believe me, there is far far more) detail why, in some ways, I consider one to be better than the other. What could possibly be more evenhanded than that? You disagreed with some of my specific disagreements; fine, no problem. However, all you can offer is more audiophile bashing and simple "I like it better". That's fine too, but in the process you dismiss logic and the irrefutable. As I have pointed out there is a lot of nuance involved in all this and to undertand it makes one a better judge of not only the music, but of ulterior motives one may have for insisting on keeping oneself in one "camp" or another.

Cheers, and my fee is always negotiable :-)