Placement tips for Synergistic Research HTFs


I just bought 15 HTFs and will also be making about a dozen of Ozzie's homemade models.  While I will re-fresh myself with SR's placement tips, and I get that I will have to do some experimenting to tailor the HFT effect to MY listening room; are there any "Advanced HFT Placement Tips" some of you would like to share with us?  Something that might be overlooked by many of us?  Or maybe, just a good rule-of-thumb tip for someone just starting to use these?
The tips could be tips for bring out more highs, solidifying the bass response, placement hi vs low, in front of vs behind speakers, on side walls, at reflection points, behind the listener, on the ceiling above the equipment or above the listener, on the equipment.
Any ah-ha that you would like to share?  I would also be very interested in hearing from people using Magnapans.

toolbox149
So this is all about the transmission of polarities of shear from one solid material to another..something that isolation fails to address.
Geometric shapes primarily are the most important aspect of this transfer system and then the actual shear velocity of the material or materials. Compression waves when they contact any solid surface become shear waves which become trapped within isolation forms and systems contained in and on devices..walls and chassis, speaker boxes and other components all to be remixed with the signal you wish to maintain. Motors, transformers and speakers and the vinyl LP all these generate shear waves of which,  some polarities are a necessary part of sound reproduction..one polarity is not useful but harmful to the transfer of energy and detrimental to sound integrity. Tom
Reading this with interest, want to thank everyone for taking the time to share. Will make my own report Sunday.

theaudiotweak
So this is all about the transmission of polarities of shear from one solid material to another..something that isolation fails to address.
Geometric shapes primarily are the most important aspect of this transfer system and then the actual shear velocity of the material or materials. Compression waves when they contact any solid surface become shear waves which become trapped within isolation forms and systems contained in and on devices..walls and chassis, speaker boxes and other components all to be remixed with the signal you wish to maintain. Motors, transformers and speakers and the vinyl LP all these generate shear waves of which, some polarities are a necessary part of sound reproduction..one polarity is not useful but harmful to the transfer of energy and detrimental to sound integrity. Tom

Tom, you should probably read the white paper on the active isolation system by Herzan that Folkfreak posted the other day that specifically addresses these self-induced vibrations you're referring to. Obviously, the recent spate of speaker isolation devices and platforms also address these issues. So, to summarize, you’re wrong that isolation doesn’t address self induced vibration, from whatever source, transformers, speakers, what have you. If isolation could not address ALL vibrations LIGO would never have been able to detect gravity waves, you remember, the ones with the amplitude of the nucleus of an atom. 

Addendum to my previous post

for those vibration isolation systems that do not absorb induced vibrations the obvious and simple solution is damping and other methods of dissipating or evacuating vibration. No one, certainly not your humble scribe, even suggested that induced vibrations from whatever source should remain trapped in the system. Heaven forbid! I have always said that in addition to competent vibration isolation there should be effective damping as well. Either constrained layer damping - I actually design one, I.e., VibraBlock, or Marigo VTS dots, or Herbies tube dampers and any number of audiophile products, even cork, another product of mine designed with the induced vibration in mind - Quark!

In fact all of my iso stands had dampers built in and included NASA grade ceramic cones, the next hardest thing to diamonds for mounting the component and the stand. That’s since 1997. Hel-loo!

And I’ve always recommended very hard cones for both components on the iso stand AND for the iso stand itself to allow vibrations to exit the system rapidly. Any type of vibration or mechanical energy, whatever you wish to call it.  But to ignore isolation or claim it’s not possible or claim vibrations should be free to roam around the room or that induced vibrations make isolation impossible or ineffective is pretty much poppycock and just plain wrongheaded. The cat is out of the bag and has been for more than 20 years. Which ironically is the length of time the Rip Van Winkle dude was asleep. Wake up and smell the coffee!

So Geoff I will have to say the homeowners association for your condo probably won't permit you to build a LIGO in your play room right.? Even if you could build such a home brew device..

When you turn your hi fi on and play music you generate compression waves and they become  shear waves..after hitting any solid material. So when this does happen all your isolation is gone..Your isolation system even a  LIGO at home.. and not by any well guarded good design or plan becomes a container for all the self generated shear in your sound system and all that motors thru your home. I am certain the Real One and Only LIGO  site does not allow a 140 db arena sound system to be played in their facility. But even if it was 85 to 90db like at home you would generate shear wave interference. All audio components anything with a motor or transformer or a chassis...your speakers all generate and transmit and carry shear energy which cannot be isolated from your room or your sound system. Some audio components require shear waves to function.Yours meaning Geoff's ...isolation system can not determine the polarity of shear that does have a meaningful function of sound reproduction versus the polarity of shear that becomes interfering energy. Your isolation system works to preserve all polarities of shear the good and the bad and that is the result in your audio outcome.

I called Herzan and they said their products only deal with signals that come from below. After I asked more questions I was passed on to a nice lady.  I asked her if their devices could discern shear motions and their polarity she said no, try damping..That sucks away energy you know like isolation materials..

The application of hard materials with specific geometry to room surfaces and some contents provides the music listener with the greatest physical and emotional experience..it is all about shear and its transference. That is what is happening with these small tuning devices, those that contact hard surfaces in the room.

Tom