Jazz for aficionados

Frogman, my opinion of Mr. John Coltrane, or his music has not changed one iota since that night. You do an awful lot of writing about something you have never heard, because he only went on those excursions on live sets, which you have never been on. What I mentioned was only released for the at home audience recently, because no one had a high opinion of it; but you can now purchase it and give your review.

If McCoy Tyner, and Elvin Jones didn't know where he was, how could me or the audience know. Aficionados, I don't know how long that marvelous live set lasted, but his journey (by himself) into the outer galaxies only lasted for a few minutes, maybe less than 3 ( but it seemed like a long time)

Although that was 50 years ago, my present rig sounds fuzzy compared to that live set; that soprano sax "live" was absolutely unforgettable. His journeys into the outer galaxies was much talked about, but only heard if you went to a live set, not available on records until long after his death.

I enjoy every note of "Trane's" music now as much as I did then, which is to say, a lot; he has such an awesome variety, including those incredible solos when he was with Miles, that I can never get tired of "Trane's" music.

Naturally "My Favorite Things" sounds like squat on CD after that night, because his soprano sax seemed to be resonating in my ear, making the recorded version sound dull and lifeless, but everything else still sounds good.

Here's a seldom talked about side of "Trane".


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r594pxUjcz4


Enjoy the music.

O-1O, this is one of those times that our discussions lose focus and I frankly don't know just what it is we are talking about.  No, I never heard Coltrane live but I have heard just about every recording of his extended "excursions" so I know what it is you are talking about.  I don't want to get bogged down and go in circles and risk getting into a contentious argument.  Here's the issue:

This has been discussed/debated here about half a dozen times now and we are very familiar with the account of that night.  This discussion began when you stated the opinion that only musicians understood or understamd (now on recordings) what Coltrane was doing during those "trips into outer space".  Moreover, you have often expressed the opinion that this was a period in his career when Coltrane "went too far" and this has been stated with a negative slant.  I disagree.  I have known non-musicians who do like and understand what he was doing.  I see that as a positive and don't uunderstand why you see it as a negative in spite of the fact that you don't like it or appreciate it. You had a wonderful experience hearing Trane live that night; good for you and I wish I had.  Fortunately for fans those live sets are well documented on record.  My point is simply that audiences today would have a different reaction than they would have 50 years ago when nothing like that had been heard previously for all the reasons that I explained in my previous post.  Perhaps I'm not understanding but your comments suggest that the very set that you heard that night was recorded and released.  Would love to hear it.  Can you tell us what recording that is?  Thanks again for the personal account.

Ghosthouse, J.C. Thomas' "Chasin' The Trane" is a great and very readable Coltrane biography.  Very accessible and focuses on his life without much by way of musical technicalities.  Highly recommended!  

Thanks for one of my favorite tunes from Sunken Condos.  Really like that record and John Herrington always kills me with that great guitar sound.  One can never have too much light 😎

"I don't want to get bogged down and go in circles and risk getting into a contentious argument."


So Frogman, why do you always risk it?


This has been discussed/debated here about half a dozen times now and we are very familiar with the account of that night.


Since you always misunderstand, you are not familiar enough with that night.


Moreover, you have often expressed the opinion that this was a period in his career when Coltrane "went too far" and this has been stated with a negative slant.


This was in 63, and he never quit doing what I described, he was still doing it late in his career, even more.


Frogman, since you are so aware of what I'm talking about, why don't you find an example of this on "you tube" and all of us can debate it.


No, that set was not recorded.


That audience had followed "Trane" for all those years he was with Miles, and since he started his own independent career; they were not the least unfamiliar with "Trane", that's why they put down decent bucks to see him, he was not a new item in 63.


I hope I have addressed all your comments. Please find a "you tube" that will exemplify what I'm speaking of, that you claim to be so aware of, in order for "our audience" to make their own independent determinations.


I hate to be so blunt, but put up, or shut up.

O-10, sorry, but I’m not going to go down that road of contentiousness again and for the umpteenth time. It’s too bad that you always seem to need to turn things nasty when faced with simple disagreement. I believe my comments have been perfectly clear and I don’t think it is I who is not understanding. As always I’m willing and would be glad to discuss further with civility. Until then or if not, peace! I respectfully suggest you put the brakes on . Btw, you yourself have posted examples of the Trane’s playing from the period in question as examples of how he "took it too far", so they are already here on this thread.