Lifters ForGetting Cables Off The Floor, Worth It Or Snake Oil


  •  I'm looking at some porcelain cable lifters to get some power and speaker cable up off the floor.  Does raising the cables off the floor really make a difference? It's going to be about 200 bucks for 10 of them. Thanks.  
zar
I also agree that if one hears an improvement, who am I to interfere. However, what does incense me is charging $389 for 3 little blocks holding a rubber band: https://shunyata-uk.com/product/accessories/df-ss-cable-elevator/
That is simply predatory! They probably cost closer to $10 each to bring to market. The same goes for $100 fuses. I don't think you could spend $50 mass producing a fuse if you made the filament out of metal harvested from meteorites. Does someone who pays $2,000 for a pair of 1 meter ICs really think that the manufacturer is only asking for a fair profit based on his cost? Or that it's the biggest impact they can make for that amount? (Or if anyone deserves to be that self-indulgent while others are hungry.)  Equally guilty, if not more so, are the retailers who sell them to us, along with real, quality products. They serve to legitimize this standard of wastefulness and convince us that if we don't buy in, we are simply not advanced enough in the hobby.

Get anything you want for your system, just don't pay ridiculous prices and contribute to audiophile-inflation, please.
2channel8,
I just popped back to see where this silly thread has gone and think you might have the most insightful post of all.  High anxiety and OCD runs rampant in society, with sellers guilting folks into buying products of little or no utility.  It is nowhere worse than among audio-fools.  The "fuse-heads" have got the syndrome to a greater degree than most others.  I think for some folks, the propensity for self-delusion is rather unbridled.  At any rate, I like the way you think.  
@2channel8 - exactly. I think there are many products that could very well do what they claim, but seemingly exorbitant prices make many people sceptical and many outright hostile. 

My solution is to DIY and, if I notice an improvement, then I MAY consider a commercially available product.

@randy-11 - why? Why do you spend so much time knocking products and making absolute claims about things that you don't seem to actually understand? Insulation on cable increases capacitance, which stores and releases a charge. It's not a stretch theoretically that this stored and released charge in a signal cable could mess with the time alignment of the signal, thereby 'smearing' it. And it's equally plausible that anything the wire insulation is in contact with could further affect the capacitance of the cable.

While these effects would be incredibly small, there's no reason to assume that no one could hear them. Also, if indeed there was no scientific basis for something, that doesn't immediately imply that it is impossible. Data suggesting something doesn't work, however, would be a valid reason to suggest something doesn't work.

Right now though, you come across as an anti tweak fundamentalist. I'm curious if you've tried cable elevators or if this is just another thing that you've decided can't possibly work and must save us from.

I wonder, is it tweaks you have issues​ with, or it is it the high prices that disgust you, tainting the product in your mind?
Zar .. Common thread here. "Nay sayers" and proponents.

1 major distinction in the diagnostic is whether you have a system of sufficient finesse or sonics to distinguish the benefit.

Personally I recognized the science for the benefit (by way of 1/4" static zaps) but I chose to experiment w/the wooden 2x4" model on carpet .. works great! Is 4" to high or to low? Got wooden floors? maybe entirely different. All I know some aspects sounded better with the cables lifted and oriented with some thought to signal paths.

NaySayers quoting science simply are ill informed about the simple electro dynamics of carpet static (again wood floors not tried).
Proponents often forget that while "tweaks" make a difference, we often forget that the person we may be responding to is trying to milk the most out of an Optimus?Radio Shack receiver & speakers (vs a BAT/Essence super system).

BUT the enthusiasm/pursuit for better musical enjoyment is no different .. as I journeyed thru Sylvania, Pioneer, Vector Research, SAE, VSP Labs, Counterpoint etc, each step had more critical signal paths that respond to delicate changes in signal.
Those changes (along with alittle wine, a great recording) and badabada bing you got a great listening session that leaves you smiling inside.
I made about 13 cable lifters for about $15.  I used some clear 1 x 3 boards cut into 4 inch sections.  Three are used for each lifter and I held then in place with  2 GRK 1 1/2 inch panel screws that have a built in washer.  These are similar to the ones on the Michael Green Audio site.  A little sanding and stain and you have a cheap alternative to expensive lifters.