Lifters ForGetting Cables Off The Floor, Worth It Or Snake Oil


  •  I'm looking at some porcelain cable lifters to get some power and speaker cable up off the floor.  Does raising the cables off the floor really make a difference? It's going to be about 200 bucks for 10 of them. Thanks.  
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I have Stillpoints SS and Ultra Mini Risers as well as Nordost’s Sort Kones, but suspect the Townshend will be magical, based on isolation down to 3hZ.

>>>>>>The capability to acheive 3 Hz isolation has been around like forever, since Townshend’s Seismic Sink and Vibraplane and Bright Star more than 20 years ago. It’s not that difficult to achieve 3 Hz in the vertical, all you need is three air bladders. Even a simple steel spring isolation system can provide 3 Hz performance. It’s a better trick to acheive 3 Hz in other directions such as those in the horizontal plane. But three air bladders are too stiff laterally to offer much if any horizontal isolation. And they don’t offer any rotational isolation either. So, it was a big challenge to not only break the 3 Hz barrier and to acheive more than one or two directions of isolation.

The reason sub 3 Hz performance is important is because the peak energy of Earth crust motion and some other seismic type vibration producers is between 0 Hz and 3 Hz. An isolation device with 3 Hz resonant frequency won’t actually begin to isolate until the frequency of vibration is around 5 or 6 Hz, and even then isolation effectiveness is rather poor, not becoming robust until around 20 Hz and above. So, the lower resonant frequency the better the isolation will be for all frequencies. There have been several sub Hertz isolation platforms over the years including some active designs. My Nimbus sub Hertz Platform was the first audiophile isolation device to isolate in all 6 directions AND to provide resonant frequencies as low as 0.5 Hz. Minus K is a negative stiffness design with all manner of columns and springs inside that gets down below 1 Hz. There are others, too.

As for the Townshend Pods, I hate to judge before all the facts are in but they appear to be essentially mechanical springs. You know, like the ones I’ve have for isolation applications for more than 16 years. Like the ones that debuted at CES in 2001. And the Townshend pods appear eerily similar to the Super Stiff Springs I sell for heavy loads like subwoofers and really big turntables, etc. (I also opine that damping springs is probably not a very good idea. That’s the problem with a lot of air springs and air bladders - the rubber material overdamps and constrains ease of motion, hurting the isolation effectiveness.)

No matter how much you have in the end you would have had even more if you had started out with more in the beginning.
I use them too. Bits of leftover wood. It keeps the cables off the concrete floor away from the daddylonglegs. 
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Why not just "get lifted" before listening...
tgun5:
You might be surprised to know that Jonathan Valin, TAS’ chief writer, arrived at the same conclusion about the ceramic lifters. As I recall, he found that they "leeched out" the natural colors of the orchestra.

I don’t know Mr. Wolf, but in literature, the Wolf (except in Indian tribes) is a symbol of chaos (Fenris being the ’big, bad, wolf of Norse mythology). So, Mr. Wolf is fulfilling his symbolic nature. But the wolf is also supposed to  bring wisdom in other cultures. Which one does Mr. Wolf belong to?

Inquiring minds, however, merely want to know if Mr. Wolf has actually tried any of the devices he disparages. Any good scientist DOES the experiment, not disparages the experiment and then looks at results. What experience does Mr. (Big, Bad) Wolf have to present?
Geoffkait, no doubt you're right. There are, I'm sure, many solutions and ways to isolate to 2 hZ. A friend was given the Townshend isolation platform to put into his modest system (which I gave him). 
The Townshend improved his system a whole lot. And his CD player is sitting on top of 3 Nordost Bronze Sort Kones. All I can say is Townshend's platform is so far ahead of the Nordost Sort Kones that it's no contest. A much more "expansive" soundstage is the first effect heard,  And, again, voices sound purer, vastly more expressive. Not that the Stillpoints wren't doing this: they were.  The Townshend is just waaaaaaay better. I just ordered 4 of the cells so I can experiment under my line conditioner, CD player, line stage and amp...