How much does DAC ‘Reality’ cost in 2017?





Thru our own efforts, some trial and some errors, copious amounts of dead presidents, and the efforts of those willing to lend their experience and tutelage to us, we have constructed strong, well balanced, highly resolving and quite engaging audio playback systems.


As a routinely insatiable lot, we’ve found analog simply is not enough for us even with the onset of Reel To Reel playback currently reentering the   neighborhood of high end audio.


Well, that and the fact many are better ‘taker outers’ than we are ‘putter backers’ of the discs, , tapes and LPs we own.


So we turn to the Digital landscape and therein we’ve done our due diligence and ripped all of our CD, DVD Audio, and Blue ray content into as high resolution as the software allows. We’ve used error correction. Been meticulous in choosing the file formats we will live with indefinitely. Amassed terra Bytes of data and thoughtfully stored it in a secure redundant fashion.


We’ve found our fad file managing and playback app, and keep seeking out the latest and greatest media managing software.


We are compelled to do so. It’s the law.

We feel the need for speed!


We thirst for convenience. We’re in a hurry! Time is crucial. We just want to kick back and click our way thru our libraries.


As we rapidly click along the avenues of our data banks, we laugh at the prospect of becoming afflicted with Attention Deficit Disorder.

Hah!

We’ve been patiently waiting for digital domains to catch up to analog performance levels and arguably they appear to have done at least that in recent years, and then some.


Currently, DSD, High res files, and streaming HD tunes have become commonplace or at least readily available via downloads and thru services, respectively.


DAC choices abound. No longer are we forced to ransom the first born, or the last born, depending on which is more the problem child or how attractive this prospect may be, to acquire outstanding digital playback...


Do we still find ourselves in need of the $10K, $20K or more DAC and clock arrangements to achieve sonic orgasms?


Is it possible now to plug and play new DACs into our systems for far less and get ‘goose bumps’? Are there readily achievable DAC options now that regularly put our Jaws onto our laps or the closest floor affordably?


Or must we still chase the upper ranges of MSB, EMM, Meitner, and DCS, etc., to finally put this endeavor to bed?


In essence, which DAC (s) in 2017 are undeniably capable of delivering the goods! Presence. Organics. Impact. Transparency. Detail. Resolution and all of it in a sensible well heeled fashion that places the artists in your home, or yourself at the recital venue across all the current digital formats?


What did you buy to solve the digital conversion conundrum?

Or what are you planning to buy to settle the DAC concern?


Lastly, for our dream sequence, what would you buy if you had $5K to $10K (more or less) to drop on digital conversion, not counting cabling?


Oh, yeah, and of course, for posterity, and me, (cause I’m going to need a new DAC) Why that one instead of some other?

…. Undying gratitude.
blindjim
@blindjim  This and your other threads are thoughtful journeys and I enjoy reading them as well as the comments from the other posters. It's educational  and adds valuable insights for me.

What I will say next is sincere.

If it's only about one's opinion, which you state "only one opinion matters" ...why go through this exercise?

I submit that opinions do matter, which is why we search them out in this forum and in others as well.

david_ten > If it's only about one's opinion, which you state "only one opinion matters" ...why go through this exercise? …. Opinions do matter and is why we seek them out.

Blindjim > Hi david_ten sorry for the confusion. I believe my statement “… paying the cost to be the boss” is being taken out of contexst. Or at least its intended context, or reference.
The short answer: and I hope I’m not missing your point
You are right. Other people’s appropriate input and opinions do matter.

Here’s my inference… another person’s input, concerns, experiences, etc., are not paying for the device, nor will they suffer either benefit or consequence from my selection.

But, I will. I’ll be paying and living with ‘whatever comes later. Elation or regret. It is my province in the end.

I read or generate threads only because I do not know it all.

I’ve no argument regarding the validity of another’s experiences, product knowledge, or technical expertise which has a specific bareing on a given topic. Indeed very often a good choice follows from gaining more germaine knowledge and outside opinions doing exactly that.

I had never heard of the Schiit Audio Yggdrasil DAC among others, prior to this thread, and now it is a very viable option.

In replying to Nordicnorm I wanted to make the point that ‘synergy’ was a result and not a compromise, or at least should not be a compromise, especially in a source device if at all possible.

Too often we are forced to fit this or that into a system because some component’s sonic attributes can not stand alone and need enhancement or ameiliaration.

My point was or is, that a solid, refined, excellently performing DAC (in this instance) should be ‘synergistic’ in any system. This is of course, If all else in the outfit is on a commensurate level of performance.

To that end, and as reality is the key topic herein, I could not dismiss the fact, far too often reality gets defined by subjectivity and not purely on its actual merits.

Since we are not all able to drop six digit money on our stereo’s we often find ourselves forced to mix in an appliance that is not nearly perfect now and then and as we add more and more less than outstanding things into the array, we do two things. Compensate, and use our best judgement which necessitates a subjective assessment at each interval of adding in or taking out this or that link from a audio rig.

Sadly, due predominately to costs, each of the decisions we make on the devices we buy and what we feel is important in the audio presentation that butters our bread, floats our boat, or simpler put, makes .us happy, is all too often a personal preference fuled by means and not solely based on sonic purity, integrity, and candor of the component itself.

Despite the facts based on the concensus of any thread asking for experiences, it will inevitably come to what a person can afford and the sonic qualities they are trying to maintain or develop.

Consequently, with that ‘subjective’ icon so glaringly affixed to so many audio systems, I said, ‘at the end of the day, the only opinion that matters is the one whose interests are being served for it is ‘they’ you or ‘me’ that will pull the trigger on this one or that one, regardless the instructions, experiences and feedback from other interested parties to the contrary.

50 members could all say get the XYZ DAC!!! 50 more might say get the ABC DAC!!! 40 could say something else. Or it could be a very mixed bag with one or two items, often the less costly ones getting a few more votes amidst a list of other votes for different DACS as is the case here.

So far the few I have on my list have not yet been mentioned by anyone except by me.

Then what does a person do?

IMHO Be completely humbled by the influx of feedback by other members, and remain ever grateful for it, aspiring thereafter to give back in likewise fashion whenever possible.

Yet, as in this instance, ‘I’ll’ do what I feel is best for me and the outfit I want to build, because… I’m paying the cost to be the boss. Lol

Despite this particular decision more opportunities for other concerns will get posted and read, and choices made. Way too often if you look at the threads and the end result, you’ll chuckle about the final selection of the OP in the thread and how it differs so vastly from its generated concensus, if in fact there was one, and the OP follows up.


@blindjim   Well said. And thanks for your clarifications. You always make reading your threads interesting...so much more than the standard thread here and elsewhere.


@David

Too kind. Thanks.

It never hurts to be kind. It costs absolutely nothing.

I don't believe brevity is a fashionable or even useful way of life. Obviously. to that end. one might as well fully engage what is going on.and at least attempt to convey accurately what is on their minds. It may not be without errors even still, yet it seems a more personable manner of communication, … in a very very, impersonable world.

"falcon--please report what you think of the Holo here, or if more appropriate, in a separate thread, when you get it up an runnin.’ "

Per request by stfoth, I now have the Holo Audio Spring up and running for about a week now. Before I share my comments I will note that since this unit comes cordless, I also purchased 3 new Silnote Audio, Poseidon GS Reference power cables for the front end of my system recognizing the idea of cable synergy. I also purchased a Morrow Audio DIG4 Grand Reference XLR cable to allow for bypass of the built in dac on my Ayre C-5xeMP universal player. I mention this since the Spring Dac wasn’t the only recent change in my system.

So about the Holo Audio. What I find interesting and rewarding is so far this dac is everything I have read in the reviews. One thing that stood out most is that difficult pieces of music are now more well defined and don’t sound muddy or distorted as in the past. One example is the Patricia Barber release Cafe Blue, on the track, Mourning Grace, the drummer is really going at the drum kit and while this sounded good previously, now each contact with the drum heads or cymbals are individually defined. I now know that this was a bit muddy in the past. Another example would be Dante’s Prayer from Loreena McKennitt, the track opens with a choral recorded in a cathedral which always sounded a bit distorted. I owed that to the difficulty of recording in such an open space. Now the distortion is gone and the voices come through just as they should.

In reading through reviews, one of the things that many people reported was that this dac makes everything sound so real, as it was intended and I have to agree. This is clearly the best upgrade to my system I have made including a recent amp upgrade. The amp was a big step up but the Holo dac takes everything to a whole new level. I can’t wait until it’s broke in now!

For clarification my system consists of the following:
Ayre C-5xeMP
Oppo 103D
Aurender N100H
The Spring dac
Plinius Tautoro
Plinius SB301
BPT 2.5 Signature balanced power conditioner
Legacy Audio Focus 20/20's

I should also add that the Spring Dac with the N100H is absolutely wonderful. I want to let the system break in more to compare the Aurender to the Ayre through the Spring to see which sounds better. Hope this helps.
Falcon