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Am I the only one who thinks B&W is mid-fi?

I know that title sounds pretencious. By all means, everyones taste is different and I can grasp that. However, I find B&W loudspeakers to sound extremely Mid-fi ish, designed with sort of a boom and sizzle quality making it not much better than retail quality brands. At price point there is always something better than it, something musical, where the goals of preserving the naturalness and tonal balance of sound is understood. I am getting tired of people buying for the name, not the sound. I find it is letting the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. In these times of dying 2 channel, and the ability to buy a complete stereo/home theater at your local blockbuster, all of the brands that should make it don't. Most Hi-fi starts with a retail system and with that type of over-processed, boom and sizzle sound (Boom meaning a spike at 80Hz and sizzle meaning a spike at 10,000Hz). That gives these rising enthuists a false impression of what hi-fi is about. Thus, the people who cater to that falseified sound, those who design audio, forgetting the passion involved with listening, putting aside all love for music just to put a nickle in the pig...Well are doing a good job. Honestly, it is just wrong. Thanks for the read...I feel better. Prehaps I just needed to vent, but I doubt it. Music is a passion of mine, and I don't want to have to battle in 20 yrs to get equipment that sounds like music. Any comments?
mikez
blackie
221 posts
 
TWL, what Linn & B&W speakers are you referring to? In the past I have sold B&W and Linn speakers through a few generations, including the lastest ones, and find your descriptions the complete opposite of what I've found. The Linn speakers are murkier and more closed in sounding than any recent B&W speaker I've heard. The older Tukans were grainy on the top end and had thin bass, the newer Katans very warm and soft sounding, the Keilidhs were tubby in the bass and the newer Ninkas are just dark and closed in sounding. The B&Ws (the comparable priced CM & CDM series) were far more neutral with a more extended top end and more controlled in the bass. I am not anti-Linn either, I think they make some great components (I own a Linn CD player) I just feel that their speakers are not where their strength is. Linn's own philosophy is that speakers are the least important piece in the audio chain (with the source being #1) which I think is reflected in their offerings.
twl
3,251 posts
 
Blackie, I have to admit that my experience is not with the latest series of either the Linns or B&W. So my take on these may have to be taken with a grain of salt. My findings were based on listening to both on a variety of amps in an audio shop listening room with only one pair of speakers in the room at at time. The characteristics I described seemed consistent across the board for each brand of speaker. I can't account for our differences in listening impressions. Perhaps other factors came into play. I don't think that Linn is the ultimate speaker maker either, but I had more listening comparisons with them than any other, vs the B&Ws, so that is why I used them as an example.
ohlala
1,252 posts
 
At least regarding the current, new speakers my experience has been the same as Blackie's. I like the Ninkas, but they are closed in, darker, less detailed and more colored than the CDM-7se. I also found that 7se was superior to the Paradigm 100s as they are free from that bright, brittle, pent-up sound i attribute to mid-fi. The 7se is boxy sounding speaker, though, which was the reason i did not buy a pair. Superior to the 7se, that i have heard, are Hales Revelations. The Hales are brighter than the 7se, but that area seems minor compared to how much better the Hales are overall.
neubilder
129 posts
 
Regarding the last few comments about Linn speakers, I urge you to give them a more careful listen and don't judge too quickly. Also, like any speaker if they are set up carelessly even the best speaker can sound disappointing. If you hear them under the right circumstances and put aside your preconceptions of what a speaker should sound like I think you be singing a different tune.
ohlala
1,252 posts
 
Tell me about my preconceptions. What is my reference? And tell me about the 'circumstances' under which I heard them. How were they set up? Because I am wondering how Blackie and I ended with the same conclusions under different, unkown-to-you 'circumstances' and 'preconceptions'.

btw Sorry all for the half-assed comparisons. Disregarding N’s comment, I should have deleted it.
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