Why is good, deep bass so difficult? - Myths and their Busters


This is a theme that goes round and round and round on Audiogon. While looking for good sources, I found a consultancy (Acoustic Frontiers) offering a book and links:

http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/guide-to-bass-optimization/?utm_source=CTA

Interestingly: AF is in Fairfax, CA, home to Fritz Speakers. I really have to go visit Fairfax!

And a link to two great articles over at sound and vision:

https://www.soundandvision.com/content/schroeder-frequency-show-and-tell-part-1
https://www.soundandvision.com/content/schroeder-frequency-show-and-tell-part-2

Every audiophile who is dissatisfied with the bass in their room should read these free resources.

Let me state unequivocally, deep bass is difficult for the average consumer. Most audiophiles are better off with bass limited speakers, or satellite/subwoofer systems. The former limits the danger you can get into. The latter has the most chance of success IF PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED.

The idea that large drivers/subs are slow is a complete and utter myth. Same for bass reflex. The issue is not the speed of the drivers. The issue is usually that the deeper a speaker goes the more it excites room modes, which the audiophile is then loathe to address.

Anyway, please read away. I look forward to reading comments.
erik_squires
1) the lower the frequency the more work to be done to reproduce (exponentially).
2) room acoustics are a big factor

Double whammy. Bass is hardest and most costly to do well usually. Also poor muddy bass obscures higher midrange frequencies. Triple whammy. 

gkr7007 wrote: "...I gravitate toward planars and other very fast response speakers."

Planars are subjectively "fast" because they have smoother in-room response than monopoles (even though the actual low-frequency transient response of their diaphragms is often quite poor, certainly not "fast" at all). This smoother in-room response of dipoles arises from the 180 degree phase difference between the backwave and frontwave, which effectively launch in opposite directions. When the frontwave and backwave meet up again, after several bounces off of room surfaces, their phase response is significantly more randomized than would be the case for a monopole speaker’s room bounces. And the sum of highly random-phase bass energy is much smoother than the sum of largely in-phase bass energy. "Decorrelation" is the proper word... decorrelation = smoothness, and is highly desirable in the bass region, and is something big rooms do better than small rooms. Decorrelation is also the advantage that a distributed multisub system offers over a single big sub... same basic mechanism as planars, but set in motion by different means.

As the wavelengths get very long relative to the room dimensions, planars tend towards cancellation because half of their in-room energy is out of phase with the other half, so planars don’t make very good subwoofers unless they are very big and can move a lot of air, and are in a big room.

In general, two intelligently-positioned monopole subs approximate the in-room bass smoothness of a single dipole main speaker. So it takes four intelligently-positioned monopole subs to approximate the in-room smoothness of two dipole mains speakers.

Duke

The two bass panels of the Magneplanar Tympani-IV and IVa are used by planar speaker fanatics as woofers for other loudspeakers. There is one guy on the Planar Speaker Asylum forum who has Martin Logan ESL mains, Tympani-IVa bass panels, and an Eminent Technology TRW-17 Rotary Subwoofer!
Most speakers will provide plenty of bass.  My personal experience with a pair of Elac FS209.2's for stereo use, running them with a cheap DAC and a fairly cheap amp (adcom GFA 5802) was that they were completely under performing when it came to bass. I was using good cables (cardas neutral reference) I tried a sub woofer and it just didn't match the speakers in there quickness...  mind you I tried with a home theater sub and not a musical sub.... Then I read some where that they were a demanding speaker and required a good amp to command them properly. Fast forward to today with some front end equipment upgrades I'm getting very impressive bass from these speakers and have no need or desire for any kind of sub... I have effectively solved my bass issues.

The low end notes are so tight and precise it still amazes me... who ever hears my system asks me where the sub is... lol
My main upgrades were a new DAC (Yggdrasil) and new bryston 7B3 mono blocks.. Also a used LS26... but the preamp was the final edition and bass was achieved prior to its integration in to the stereo. 
I can strongly suggest that the majority of lack of bass issues is the result of inadequate quality amplification.. As another poster here already mentioned... 
Now that I have bass ... fine tuning it is another story altogether ... now we get into speaker placement and room treatments....

Just my 2 cents from personal experience.. 
Good speakers in a good room sound a lot more satisfying than top end speakers in a mediocre room.

Many people have no idea how good even 2-way systems can be properly set up. Proper room acoustics can make them sound enormous.

Best,

E