PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium Preamplifier. DESTROYS SPEAKERS!!



A few months ago, bought TWO of the above mentioned preamps. ( I have 2 stereo systems)
Within 6 weeks of the purchase, the power supply of my speakers burns out!
I purchase and replace the power supply.
Three days later, the second newly replaced power supply is burnt out!
After much investigative work and heartache, I discover that the Pre amp is the problem.
It is defective and puts out DC. which burns out speakers.
After, testing the second unit, I find that it is defective as well, EXACTLY the same problem.
I return the units to my dealer, who returns them to Prima Lune.

I received a phone call from a Mr. Kevin Deal, big cheese at PrimaLuna.
Told me that the capacitors, on BOTH units had failed and the units were putting out DC.
He even THANKED me, for being a guinea pig, and discovering the flaw in his units.

He offered me a pair of tubes, as "compensation" for my troubles!! What a joker!!

WOW, a pair of tubes for blowing my $30,000. speakers!!

The height of arrogance and total disregard for the consumer of his product.
To all audiophiles, do yourself a favour, STAY AWAY for this brand, unless you want your speakers cooked.

TOTAL lack of quality control, MADE IN CHINA junk, what more needs to be said.


Mr. Deal, WAKE UP, and STOP selling defective products!!


If, you are using PrimaLuna, and your speakers fail, check the amp or pre amp.

George


Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
thorloki
I am a Prima Luna distributor, so I read this thread with interest.

We have not had a single fault with a Prima Luna preamp in all the years we have sold the product. We have had just 1 faulty remote, and one blown fuse - that is it... 2 faults from hundreds of units.

I think some balance is required here. The OP claims that all units must be faulty because he had 2 faults in his system. He further extrapolates this to mean that all goods made in China must be suspect as well.

These are not logical assumptions to make. It is far more helpful to hear the experiences of many hundreds of users, so as to get a more statistically valid sampling, and then make a judgement as to product quality.  

System variables can cause incompatibilities. Rare though it might be, this seems to have been the case here. I am sorry that the OP had this unfortunate experience. It does not reduce the confidence that I have in the brand which is based on my experiences with hundreds of end users and items.
" This failure was most likely due to the system or something in the home.  That's all there is to that. "

Dear Mr. Deal, 
I wonder what, in my home, we can blame, for the failure of your pre amps.

Perhaps it was my beige coloured walls that upset your PrimaLuna's, could that be?
I know, it was probably my green carpet that did it!
No wait, I got it, it was those NASTY Martin Logan/Bryston components,
that's what pissed off your PrimaLuna's!

OK, I have spoken my mind, I will let the Audiogon community draw their own conclusions from what has been written in this thread.

Mr. Kevin Deal, I am speaking to you personally.
In conversing with you on the phone, several times, you can across as 
sincere.

Therefore, I am taking you at your word, that my TWO pre amps were 
FLUKES, and that YOU HAVE NOT HAD ANY OTHER failures, of a similar nature to mine.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, as I do not believe you would 
deliberately mislead me, as well as other PrimaLuna owners.

And with that, I consider this issue closed.

Mr. Deal, I wish you well, and good fortune going forward.

George
George- Unfortunately, it's possible/probable that some of what you have dealt with is caused by living on the bleeding edge.  Sometimes, extracting that last bit of performance comes at the expense of some reliability.  One of my engineering colleagues once told me that there are three variables in every project: cost, quality/performance, and schedule.  When you specify two of them, they dictate the third.  Although I have absolutely zero technical knowledge of circuitry and electrical engineering, of all of the supposed experts that have commented so far, I find Almarg's analysis to be persuasive.  And that leaves aside the circumstantial evidence that the same part failed in the same unusual way, twice in a row.  That, to me, strongly suggests some kind of unusual interaction among the component parts of the system. 

Anyways, the retailer, distributors, and manufacturers involved all stepped up.  You've been made whole.  It's the very rare manufacturer of anything at all that provides warranty coverage for consequential damages. In my recollection, virtually every warranty I've ever taken the time to read expressly rules out such coverage.  You're out some time to replace some circuit boards.  If a fuse blows, do you expect someone to compensate you for the time it takes to replace it?  The other option, I imagine, was for you to pay for shipping the speaker back to ML.  I think you lucked out by having a manufacturer willing to take a chance that you would be able to make that swap yourself without doing other damage, which based on all of the available evidence, you would have then blamed on ML. 
Has anyone actually validated the OP's failures are as stated? Does anyone have eyes on a bad cap?

Best,

E