Tekton Double Impacts

David:

In concept I completely agree. But when opinions are presented based on one criteria (cost) with no actual personal experience...

And even when questioned, then continues the same rhetoric with no real argument (again, other than cost because it is the only criteria they know), I believe it is different than what you have in mind.

Open discussion such as someone not liking the speaker after listening to it is very valuable and worthy of discussion. Sadly, I have seen people get jumped on ANY time a negative comment is made, and I don’t agree with that either, but when a person has a belief that is close minded (ok with me) and just keeps parroting the same stuff regardless of people trying to engage, then I lose patience with it. I guess maybe I should just stay out of it, but as much as I love to understand different perspectives and how those perspectives were built, there has to be an actual engagement in ideology. not just hashing the same thing back again and again.

They must be better because they cost more as a recurring defense is not openness and engagement, and I am sorry if I offend anyone... it is not meant to.

If manufacturers fairly listened to competitors products and priced their own products based on how much better or worse than competitors, I guess that would be a start, but "better" has many criteria and each is subjective. And in no parallel universe is pricing done that way.

It is done based on cost of materials (and more costly materials are not always the best), company overhead, labor, desired profit, and quite frankly how much the market will bear based on the perception of the product. It is not unusual at all to find some more expensive products not being as good as less expensive competition. At the same time, sometimes the more expensive product IS the best. But to use only the price without even having heard it, does not promote any sort of credibility. To keep defending it with no more data than before is a waste of everyones time, not a suffocation of open discussion.

JMO, and sorry if I have offended. It is just how I feel.

Personally, I am not troubled when someone has a contrary opinion to mine.  Always been an independent thinker without a need to be in the mainstream of things.  If someone wants to challenge much of the consensus on this thread--go for it.  On occasion it rather livens things up.  Even the occasional troll doesn't bother me anymore, as they are usually recognized for what they are (and don't deserve a response).

BUT, if you want to have any credibility please don't form an opinion on gear you haven't even heard.  So I don't feel too badly that some of the members here reacted strongly.  They were not  rising up to the Tekon cause but rather to rightly challenge a very flawed opinion.

Now, back to the music.

Hi David,
Well it looks like we have different perspectives on this matter. I feel the same as Mac and Vitop, someone "hears" the speaker and doesn’t like them, okay no problem. Someone says the speaker isn’t as good as speaker A orB because it doesn’t cost enough is a silly argument IMO. These are very different scenarios which generate different responses. Anyway that is my 2 cents worth. You are still my brother 😊.
Charles

@vitop 

JMO, and sorry if I have offended.

Not at all. In fact your post was both beautifully written and thoughtful.

@charles1dad 

I'm happy the relationship remains brotherly. : )

It ultimately comes down to one's interpretation. I knew I'd be in the minority, and that's ok by me.

You and others, that have more history here and a much deeper and wider exchange between members both in public on the forum, or privately through more personal means, can perhaps 'read' more into one's posts and what may or may not be implied.

We've all been on that spectrum somewhere between belief and disbelief with respect to the Double Impacts. I'm fine with someone essentially stating that they don't believe. Sometimes that disbelief manifests as questioning credibility. Happens all the time. And there will be those that never believe. I'm good with that too. 

Rather than some of the responses that poured forth, I would much rather see those like Ezra or others who have high end systems come forward with their thoughts and impressions and reasons for why they moved forward with a DI or an SE or an Ulfberth. Credibility is built, usually very slowly...and I hope that those that can -- work on shedding more light to illuminate the path and make it easier to travel.