daveyf, ''nandric , you have not heard a well set up Klimax level LP
12. Twenty + years ago, etc''. Ergo the LP 12 from 20 years ago
is not an LP 12? Those are however still ''going strong'' with
the same platter which is the ''heart'' of their construction. Those
are recommended to the students because of their price. There are
many owners who still use the first version. A good designed TT
(should) not need so many ''improvements'' with ridiculous prices.
Thorens made many versions but never upgrades. Those, more
in particular 160, are also still going strong. In some sense LP 12
is ''upgraded '' 160. The novice in this thread should check how
bearings are made (grin). With some brown substance around
the plate at the bottom of the bearing tube.