Dealers hijacking the discussions

4425, at least we haven't heard about two-dimensional sound.  Yet, anyway.

greghn,

I don’t enjoy bickering or making long winded explanations, no body should be attacking anyone on these forums, or at shows or in stores.

The direct approach is best Grgr4blu didn’t like my style of getting to know and talk to my clients about all things not including just audio, and he didn’t like my effusive sales style.

1 year at Innovative Audio I sold $40k worth of Black Diamond racing cones and shelves because I grabbed everyone to show them how a $700 worth of Black Diamond products could make a huge difference in a systems performance for little cost compared to changing a component.

 Was the reason I was showing inexpensive accessories to make money or was it that the product was great and effective, and people who heard my presenation purchased the product because they heard the same thing which then lead to the sales?

That was many years ago, I haven’t worked at SBS for 13 or 14 years now, so what happend between him and myself was probably around 1993 pretty long time to hold a grude about a sales person whose crime was talking too much and being too effusive.

All he had to do was to pull me aside and directly say in a nice manor that he didin’t like my approach and that would have been that. No need for animosity. He has consistantly acted like I have hurt him in someway and lashes out accordingly. Not Cool, and no one needs him to protect the forums.

You will see that most posts I have commented on are one or two mentions it is only in regards to being attacked that rebuttals occur.

Just like Dynaquest being incredulous of my findings. He could PM me and find out the entire story, and he could if he wanted to check out the product from any of that companies dealers if he felt too strongly against my biases

On one of the loudspeaker posts in comes a European guy directly making an actual sales pitch to buy from him now that is shilling.

Me saying to someone in Albequrique New Mexico or Spain or Detroit to go check out a pair of Legays, ATC, or Paradigms is not shiling unless they fly into NJ and come to my store and purchase from me, not gaining a thing and that is the difference between shilling and making a recommendation.

Dave:. Please....I'm the third, at least, to ask that you do this.  Before you start typing a reply or post, think about your point in replying.  Then attempt to be concise and succinct...perhaps in maybe three or four sentences.  

Your typical replies are so long and rambling, most of us, like me, likely read the first sentence and skip to the bottom.  Are you the digital version of that guy who likes to hear himself talk?

We are all guilty of this in a way. When somebody opens up a thread asking for opinions on piece ‘a’ or ‘b’, how many times do you have people write in saying that piece ‘c’ Or ‘d’ is better? These replies probably come from non-dealers but they could also come from somebody that will be selling their piece shortly.
Personally I like when people chime in with other alternatives, I have not reviewed or heard every piece of equipment out there and some suggestions that people bring up might peak my interest.
i have seen threads when people make suggestions on alternatives and they get shot down, which to me shows that the person isn’t open minded.
I do agree that dealers or even non-dealers shouldn’t pressure people into something that the don’t want.

Dave, why don’t you stop engaging with gpgr4blu? You post, then he posts, then you go into a ten paragraph response. All that does it stir the pot further until the thread degrades into a name-calling thread between the two of you.

You will contribute a lot more value to the discussion by focusing on the topic at hand, rather than having your public battles, primarily with one poster. It’s silly, it degrades the forum, and it makes you look like a kindergartener.

It's the definition of insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.