For tube sound, which is more important: preamp or power amp?


I have always loved the “tube sound” - warmth, midrange, soundstage. Through the years (since about 1975), I have owned many tube and solid state amps and preamps, in various combinations. Presently, I have a tube amp and a solid state preamp. But like most of you, I am thinking of making changes, again.  Not to cloud the discussion, the specific brands are not important.  I also listen to acoustic music, females vocals, love mini monitors, EL34s, NOS tubes, and don’t care that much about bass.  So you can see that my taste fits the tube sound very well. But I have had systems that are too warm, not enough dynamics or details, and fat in the low end, too.

okay, now to the discussion.  To produce the tube sound, which is more important: the preamp or the power amp?  Let’s talk in general, and (if possible? May not be) not tied to one specific piece/brand/model of equipment.  I know there are exceptions to any general rule.  Not sure if it makes a difference to your comments, but I have no phono and am running line stage only.

As an attempt to prevent the conversation as going in a big tangent, let’s assume equality of price/quality. i.e. not comparing a $10k power amps contribution to a system to that of a $1k preamp.  Let’s also assume that the amp (tube or solid state) can drive the speakers just fine, such that compatibility does not limit the decision. And ignore mono blocks versus stereo amp differences.  

two follow ons: I have  the perception that preamps give you more bang for the buck - meaning that it takes less money to get a great tube preamp compared to a great tube amp.  Agree/disagree? And second, I have never owned a tube dac or CD player, and will assume that tubes in either of these is less critical than in a preamp or power amp. Agree/disagree?

i am interested in your thoughts.

Bill
meiatflask
Hmm. What is "tube" sound?
Smoother and more detailed than transistor, more lower ordered harmonics which are harder for the ear to detect. Less higher orders that the ear easily detects as harshness.

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If you really really have to make a choice of which way to go, my money is on the tube preamp.

The reason is simple: I don't care how good your amp or speakers are, if the preamp looses definition, there is nothing you can do to replace it downstream. Tubes simply make more detail than transistors (and also without brightness); they are easier to listen to for hours too, so send that to your amplifier.

The problem here of course is if the amp isn't up to the task, you won't hear what the front end of the system is doing. I do regard the use of a tube preamp with solid state as a compromise.

If you really want to hear all that is on that LP or CD, get a tube amp to go with the tube preamp.

Some people think that they don't want the tube amp because of reliability or heat concerns. Tubes are easy to deal with (they are in sockets after all) and heat is a function more of what class of operation the amp employs rather than whether or not it has filaments. A solid state amp biased to the same level of class A operation will make 90% of the heat that a tube amp does. IOW, many tube amps run hotter because they are biased harder.

Transistor amps tend to be biased at very low currents; that's the main reason they make less heat. 
Ralph you of course make a compelling case for tube preamp and tube amplifier (which is my chosen route). The OP is asking which component would yield more of the tube character or effect on the audio system. 

Your argument for the tube preamp advantages I surely understand.  However in the context proposed by the OP I would go SS Pre/tube amplifier rather than tube preamp/SS amplifier.  Obviously as this interesting thread has demonstrated preferences are all over the proverbial map. This is as expected in this subjective realm. 
Charles 
Charlesldad and atmasphere among others provide good advice.  My advice comes from a more pragmatic (and perhaps devious) point of view.  Start with a tube pre-amp.  The tubes are typically longer lasting and less expensive, for the most part. Once the mysteries of valves dissipate and their joys become obvious, then one will naturally migrate to a tube amp.  Assuming of course, that your speakers are a good match for tubes.  And then you'll never look back...Bwwahahaha!!!!!
Hi swampwalker, 
Pragmatism is good 😊. If advising someone new to tubes your advice is undoubtedly sound. But if this person asked which impacts the system "more" then tube amplifier.  Swampwalker what's been the case in your own experience?
Thanks,
Charles