What speakers for 10k?


Looking to buy the end of game speakers, currently I have Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand. My amp is the Parasound a21 with the Parasound p5 pre amp, Marantz sa8001 sacd and the Marantz sr5001 avr, psa xs15se sub. My budget is 5 to 10k on main speaker upgrade.
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Amusing, but not completely unexpected, those without ability to make comments of merit would resort to personal attacks and blindly throw darts in effort to uncover my identity. So who am I? I'm the fly in the ointment, that small but irritating voice that won't go away when manufacturers trot out bogus claims and outright lies. I'm here to set the record straight, and choose the cover of anonymity for purpose of my righteous mission.

Turbulence? You'll have to do better than that. First off, the outlandish claims could easily be proven with a simple calibrated response measurement. Something any speaker manufacturer worth their salt should be doing anyway. So why hasn't that been shown? Simple, it would show convincingly that the claims are bogus. And second, the entire concept is nothing but an ill conceived straw man. Set up the boogieman of turbulence, then knock him down with your saw'd in half port tubes. Except, there is no problem of turbulence, there is no air movement. To imply there is shows a complete lack of understanding of the mechanisms at play. Sound waves are not mass, no fluid is displaced, all they care about is density of the medium they're passing through, and air in this system is non-compressible so constant. The whole argument is implausible, but could be proven quite simply if it had merit ... which it doesn't.

And there are other BIG problems with the smoke stacks. Long areas of constant cross section which will make it act as a Helmholtz resonantor, and have easily measurable resonances (distortion) of their own. And the fact that the physical dimensions of the woofer pipe would limit it from having any effect below (I'm guessing) 500hz.

The drivers Wavetouch use are just fine, good in fact. I've used the SB Woofer and believe it's one of the better mid-bass drivers in it's price range. It is NOT however under any circumstance capable of 94db sensitivity. The Dayton AMT tweeter is also pretty decent, and putting it in a Birch cabinet is admirable. Wavetouch would be better off without those dopey horns, and making non-fabricated claims about the performance. Because that speaker, assuming the crossover is proper, could stand on it's out at $2000 without the aura of BS surrounding it.
LOL..genius postings I see, you guys should worry about other things then if Vapor is posting or not..idiotic. I'd love to meet you girls are Expona...
For me 25K would probably mean mbl all the way, hey!

Maybe if I hit the lottery but not likely. As much as I love the good sounds of music, I don't know if I could justify 25K worth of speaker. Maybe in teh great room of some mansion that I will never own.
"So who am I? I'm the fly in the ointment, that small but irritating voice that won't go away when manufacturers trot out bogus claims and outright lies. I'm here to set the record straight, and choose the cover of anonymity for purpose of my righteous mission."

And once again, all talk.

"First off, the outlandish claims could easily be proven with a simple calibrated response measurement. Something any speaker manufacturer worth their salt should be doing anyway. So why hasn't that been shown? Simple, it would show convincingly that the claims are bogus. And second, the entire concept is nothing but an ill conceived straw man. "

Its always easy with the mouth. Why don't you show us then since your so smart and obviously know better? You talk but you can't back anything up. To the rest of us, its clear that you don't know your ass from your elbow. Otherwise, you would be able to do the "simple" stuff that you claim to be able to do, but clearly can't. I wouldn't trust you to build a speaker, but if I was a politician, I may let you write my speeches.