Why is the snake oil topic closed?


Because debunking certain aftermarket accessories might affect Audiogon’s revenue? I don’t get it. There were points to be made. It was just getting "good."
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What tweaks purportedly do cannot be quantitated or otherwise objectively measured. They are by their very nature elusive. That can cause problems for certain personality types.

>>>>>>I’m not sure I totally agree with your detective work. I divide tweaks up into two groups. One group can be quantitated and objectively measured, assuming someone actually did measure them, which as I’ve pointed out previously no one ever does, or rarely does. Tweaks I put into this group are vibration isolation devices, tiny little bowl resonators, even crystals in some applications (Room Acoustics), Helmholtz resonators. Audiophiles often assume certain tweaks like crystals can’t be measured or quantified.

OK, so the second group is the one that gets audiophiles’ panties in a bunch. This is the group of tweaks that includes but is not limited to things that go bump in the night, OR things that would be very difficult to measure even though they sort of make sense. This group includes of course the Peter Belt foils and pens and message labels, Machina Dynamica’s Clock and the Teleportation Tweak (duh!), the Tice Clock, contact enhancers, but also more mundane tweaks such as cones and other footers, CD treatments, CD demagnetizers, power cords, power conditioners, fuses, and cryogenics in general, and of course wire directionality.

OK, let the angst and hand wringing commence. 😩
I suspect there are more people out there talking about fighting windmills than tele or clock tweaks or most any MD product for that matter.



So I took my 6 foot California King out of his cage today. I didn’t get any oil , but he deficated on my shirt . And I’ve stood toe to toe with Charles Manson . He is  ( was ) a skinny,  whiny little Ditch Bank Okie . He spent his life in protective custody ( called SENSATIVE NEEDS in the Ca. System) . He was a Window Warrior , that’s a loud mouth that hides behind something safe . Does it really matter wether  someone wears a pocket protector or drags their knuckles ?   It’s Audiogon.                                                So here’s an unrelated SNAKE OIL STORY - My brother in law is a chiropractor, a very good one . So I’m watching him work on a patient using “ MUSCLE REFLEX TESTING “. Basically , he puts a patient in a position of poor leverage and asks them to push . Then he places a sample of a supplement under their tongue and repeats the process . If their strength to push does not increase , he tries a different supplement and repeats . When he concludes what works , he sells them that supplement .  It looks phony .           So now I decide to try it . Because I’m Family the treatment is free and supplements are at his cost . So we do the dance and it really works . I’ve done it many times over the years . But check this out . Just before a session I get a full blood panel done per my MD, like 6 vials of blood . Then he tests me and we write it all down . About 10 days later I get my labs back . Although the labs address significantly more items , the handful of deficiencies he notes coincide with my lab results . So my point is I BELIEVE in his testing . But I don’t need to make you believe or get offended if you don’t ! I Suggest things to others , but their experience my be different . Some tweaks are free , like putting a blanket over my 50” glass TV screen . Or listening to my stereo in the middle of the night when “ The Electricity is Quiet “. Some things work and some things don’t , that’s the fun . Some of you guys are way over my head intellectually , that’s cool . But it’s ALL ABOUT LOVE AND RESPECT ! So if anybody can loan me a little snake oil , I’d appreciate it . Now I have to go change my shirt . PS , I LOVE ALL OF YOU AND YOU CANT DO A DAMN THING ABOUT IT ! Mike. Hey Wolfie, I went to Foo Fighters last night , it was fantastic!
Gee whiz, Moopers, I thought you was all all dried out. Now you got me thinkin’. Maybe youse oughta consider turning herself in again.
Its a good idea to separate measurable and non measurable tweaks. I'm pretty certain that equipment isolation is fast becoming practice and will soon lose its tweak status.

And then there's unnecessary engineering, eg  where should you stop at, 20kHz, 40kHz, or 80kHz or not at all?