Why don't amplifier Companies use high end fuses?


My equipment - Raven Integrated Reflection MK2 tube amp 58wpc. / Lumin A-1 DAC Streamer / Synology NAS / Isotex Aquarius Power Conditioner / Furutech Rhodium Plug / Sonus Faber Amati Homage Tradition speakers.  

I have read thousands of comments on upgraded fuses improving the performance of sound.  I am very open minded but not sold either way.  So, the question I have is....if fuses were so important, than why don't Amplifier companies all install them as OEM equipment?  To me, if they are as good as people say, that would provide companies who use them a competitive advantage?  

Every High End Audio store I go to in Phoenix have told me it does not make a difference and is a waste of money.  For the record, I have fuses purchased at an automotive store for under $10 and I think my sound is awesome.  The Company that built my amp tested the Synergistic Fuses and he emphatically said there was no difference.  

If I were to try a fuse for fun, given my equipment, what would your recommendation be to try?  
willgolf
The ONLY way we have of observing reality, of perceiving the world around us, is through the senses. That’s why we have eyes and ears. To see the world and hear what is there. For Early Man hearing was absolutely critical for his survival, what with Sabre Tooth Tigers and other predators lurking about. 🐅 Mathematics would have been unable to save Early Man from tigers and bears. Fortunately, Early Man was endowed with a direction, distance and speed calculator in his head for calculus, integration - for survival. Squirrels, by contrast, are not so endowed. 🐿 That’s why they frequently become roadkill. We can thank evolution for our keen sense of hearing, which is critical for figuring out what works and what doesn’t, and which direction to pursue. Even the direction of fuses. Tee, hee

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First, a point of information: Some of the responses which followed my previous post lead me to believe that references to "fuse rotation" are being interpreted differently by different people. To clarify, I believe that what was done by the three gentlemen I referred to in my previous post who have **actually tried** rotating fuses did NOT necessarily involve, or at least require, rotating the fuses while they were in their holders, which as has been said above would often be hard to do. As I understood it, removing the fuse from its holder and then reinserting it with differing rotational orientations would suffice, which of course would be no more difficult to do than reversing the fuse’s direction a corresponding number of times.

Also, the underlying cause of the rotational effects Ralph (Atmasphere) observed in his experiments was NOT stated to involve removal of oxidation or other impurities from the contact surfaces. I’ll quote his explanation of the phenomenon directly, as stated in this thread:

Atmasphere 5-23-2016 4:52pm EDT

It has to do with the fact that the connections on fuse holders are not perfect. The act of reversing the fuse sometimes gets you a better connection. However, directionality really isn’t the issue. Similar to a power switch, the contact area of the fuse holder that is actually doing the work is a fraction of the total contact area. As a result, if you simply rotate the fuse in its holder, you will find that there is a best position where more of the fuse holder contact area is touching the fuse contacts. When the fuse was reversed, on occasion you got better contact or worse contact, which appears initially to be a directional issue, but that is really an illusion.

Interestingly, this effect is measurable as a voltage drop across the fuse holder. As you might expect, the less voltage drop the better. So it is possible to adjust (rotate) the fuse in the holder for minimum voltage drop and thus the best performance. A side benefit is the fuse will last a little longer as the operating temperature is reduced.

Atmasphere 5-26-2016 12:31pm EDT

I joined this thread recently with some results on testing. Those results are that the directionality appears out of coincidence and that actually greater improvement can be had by rotating the fuse in the holder for best contact. The improvement is measurable and audible; descriptions others have made on this thread of what happens when you get the direction right accurately describe what happens when the contact area is maximized.

Occam’s Razor has something to say here! Given that a fuse has to be used in AC circuits and given that people report differences by reversing the fuse, and also understanding how fuses are inherently incapable of having directionality in any way whatsoever, the explanation that they somehow have an effect by reversing them in the holder is a fairly complex explanation: some sort of unknowable, unmeasurable quality of the fuse itself.

A simpler explanation is that the reversal is improving the contact area because fuse and holder are not dimensionally perfect and the fuse might sit better in the holder in one direction. By rotating the fuse in the holder without reversing it gets the same effect only more profoundly.
Does all of that sound at least somewhat implausible, even though Ralph’s claims are based on actual experiments? It would not be unreasonable to think so, IMO. However, I feel safe in saying that to most of those having an extensive background in electronic design (such as myself) the notion that a fuse would have **inherent** directional characteristics to an audibly significant degree is substantially MORE implausible.

And as I have said in a number of past threads, in audio it is often extremely easy to attribute a perceived effect to the wrong variable.

Regards,
-- Al

kosst_amojan
...  what you think you're hearing IS pure belief and NOT proof in the slightest. Such a semantically obvious fact illustrates how deeply confused you people are about the difference between belief and facts ... I've never seen any hobby embrace snake oil like this one! Not even close! The faith people here place in various tweaks that do nothing can only be compared to the powers the superstitious attribute to magic talismans ...
Thanks for sharing your deeply-held faith-based convictions. I think many of us had already figured them out, but this post makes them more clear than ever. The only part that I don't understand is why you're so angry with so many on this forum. Most of us are just here to have fun, it seems. What are your motivations? Is it just to proselytize? 

Frankly, and I certainly have no animosity towards anyone, nor intend any disrespect, but I disregard with prejudice what ANY pseudo skeptic, naysayer or Crusader Rabbit presents as evidence or proof for any controversial tweak, including fuses, fuse directionality, wire directionality, etc. Who cares? Anybody can dream up some bizarre case they think will turn the tide. It’s actually not (rpt not) up for debate. Case closed. Like the mind of Crusader Rabbit. 🐇

The whole idea that rotating the fuse improves the sound, and is therefore the real reason audiophiles hear improvements when flipping fuses, is preposterous on its face, anyway. Because the odds are 50-50 that the sound would be *degraded* by rotating the fuse. Besides, if someone can’t hear the difference in fuses or in fuse direction, I certainly don’t believe they can hear fuse rotation. It doesn’t make sense. Judge Judy says if it doesn’t make sense it’s not true. Furthermore, we already know that fuses measure according with the direction they are oriented in. Case closed. If you can’t hear that’s your problem. Better get it checked out. 
  • It is not about facts.

Yep. That’s it in a nutshell. Cheers! Too much time spent talking about fuses. People will think and do what they will and are not likely to change, especially the older folks like me.