Tekton Double Impacts


Anybody out there heard these??

I have dedicated audio room 14.5x20.5x9 ft.  Currently have Marantz Reference CD/Intergrated paired to Magnepan 1.7's with REL T-7 subs.  For the vast majority of music I love this system.  The only nit pick is that it is lacking/limited in covering say below 35 hz or so.  For the first time actually buzzed the panel with an organ sacd. Bummer.  Thought of upgrading subs to rythmicks but then I will need to high pass the 1.7's.  Really don't want to deal with that approach.

Enter the Double Impacts.  Many interesting things here.  Would certainly have a different set of strengths here.  Dynamics, claimed bottom octave coverage in one package, suspect a good match to current electronics.

I've read all the threads here so we do not need to rehash that.  Just wondering if others out there have FIRST HAND experience with these or other Tekton speakers

Thanks.
corelli
I recently spent a couple days critically listening to david_ten’s system with his new Double Impact SEs and thought that some here might find my observations/opinions of the sound I heard of interest. My suspicion is that many of you happily own the base DIs and are perhaps considering moving up to the SEs at some point. Outside of a few SE owners posting here, there are no formal reviews out there that I am aware of, so you might appreciate my evaluation of the SE’s performance as a "Tekton Outsider". I do not own Tektons nor any of the same brands of gear/cabling as David so am I hopeful that that will add some objective credence to my written evaluation here. Although I am no reviewer (that may become painfully obvious shortly!), I have been in the hobby several decades and have heard many fine systems during that time, so please take the below for what you feel it to be worth.

David’s primary system consists of a Pass XP-20/XA-30.8 combo, a Sonore SignatureRendu streamer feeding a Denafrips Terminator DAC via USB, and, of course, the Tekton SEs. Cabling is SOtM ethernet, Stealth USB, Cardas Clear Reflection XLR ICs, and Audience SX speaker cables. Power cords are Triode Wire Labs Obsession. There were two passive power distribution units in place who’s branding escapes me.

All music was streamed from Tidal via Roon during the evaluation. For those of you that may not know, David’s musical tastes are eclectic to the extreme IMO. He appreciates much of the same female-vocal centric acoustic tunes, jazz, small ensemble, and classic rock as I, but adds a heavy does of more modern, progressive music replete with synthesizers and all manner of non-traditional electronic "instruments" that has, thus far, been beyond my musical palette. Yet, I loved the sound I heard no matter the musical pedigree and actually discovered quite a few titles that will be added to my Tidal favorites at home. Point is, David’s widely-varied musical preferences demand A LOT from speakers and gear and nothing I heard while there failed to impress me through the SEs.

David just acquired a Lyric Ti140 MkII integrated tube amplifier and had three single-ended ICs on loan to evaluate their match with the new Lyric: Audience SX, Synergistic Research Level 3, and Shunyata Alpha. The main audio purpose of my visit was to provide David with my opinion of the sound quality of the Pass vs Lyric amplification and with the aforementioned cabling when paired with his SEs.

Since David visited my home and we did some listening to my system a few weeks back, there was also a social aspect to my visit, including meeting his amazing son and his sweet dog Cyrus. What a great gig for me: listening to a friend’s top drawer system while enjoying great hospitality and all that was on me was to give my opinions on what I heard. Who wouldn’t love that!

We started the evaluation with David’s new Lyric integrated and Audience SX single-ended ICs in place vs David’s usual Pass/Cardas combo. Immediately, I was impressed with the vivid mid and upper energy and the presence I was hearing from the SEs. Not at all the buttoned-down, polite, constrained sound I had heard in a dealer demo of the Magico S1 Mk II/Constellation rig just a day earlier. The SEs live and breath! Immediately, I was struck by the ethereal quality of female vocals, strings, and percussion. It was already clear that I was going to enjoy my time with David’s system.

The sound of the SEs with the tube amplifier had the trademark tells of a great tube amp - liquidity and what I call "wetness". A vivid, dynamic sound with nary a hint of edginess, glare, or hardness no matter the music nor the recording. The soundstage was wide, vocals at realistic height, and there was the feeling of instruments/performers existing in a believable soundscape with clear individual identity, yet not spotlighted, instead integrated into a cohesive whole. I hate to use the word "palpability", but that’s what I heard, in spades. Depth and layering were not the best I have heard and I perceived a limitation of harmonic density and command in mid/low frequencies, but it was easy to forget this and focus on the beauty and authenticity of the aural experience with the Lyric driving the SEs.

Feeling that I had captured the sound character of the Lyric/SE pairing, we moved on to David’s Pass separates with the Cardas Clear Reflection XLR ICs. Holy cow, what major change in sound character! Out with the liquid, forgiving nature of the previous setup and in with a bold, forwardly tactile sound. I was shocked! Not that it was unpleasant sounding per se, only vastly different in its sonic presentation. David seemed a little addled as well. After a short time, he abruptly popped up from the listening sofa, realizing that he had forgotten to transfer the Obsession power cord from the Lyric to the Pass XA 30.8, instead mistakenly leaving in place the Audio Arts power cord that he was using to keep the Pass warmed up in during our time with the Lyric. Once the Obsession power cord was seated, the sound character changed to a much more similar sonic palette via the Lyric. Anyone clinging to the belief that power cords do not play a major role in a system’s sound character should have been there. The difference I heard is sure to completely dispel that erroneous misconception. I’m talking MAJOR sonic change. It became obvious that Triode Wire Labs’ statement power cord was leagues better than the lowly Audio Arts model.

Now the Pass separates/Cardas Reflection XLR IC combo immediately impressed me as more like-sounding to the Lyric in many ways, but as if on steroids. The added energy in the presentation and the more authoritative bass control of the former were obvious in comparison, defying the rated specs of 30 w/ch vs 70 w/ch respectively. Current vs voltage could explain this to a significant extent, but what was going on here was beyond that. There was simply more there there with the Pass . Vocals, strings, and percussion took on a more vivid personality, most definitely in a good way, at least to my ears and preferences.

The Pass separates with the Obsession power cords in place delivered a decidedly more rhythmic and involving presentation than the Lyric. The sound was superbly airy and clean and dynamic contrasts were more impactful and convincing. I never really sensed that the Pass gear gave up much of anything to the Lyric, excepting a slight degree of tonal liquidity and wetness. In exchange, the Pass simply grabbed me with its more percussive character. In fact, with both amplification chains, I would characterized what I heard through the SEs during my time with them as focused on the percussive aspect of the music vs the complex harmonics, overtones, and extended decay I have heard on some other excellent speakers.
Piano was clearly portrayed as a felt-wrapped wooden hammer striking strings. Quick and clean and tactile. Forward but never edgy or hard. What I felt was missing compared to my own system was some of the rich harmonic density, particularly in the lower registers. Everything sounded as if the woofers were just a bit too tight and stingy with extension and bloom. Not lean, just incomplete.

Enter the Synergistic Research Galileo UEF USB cable I brought along for the trip. Replacing David’s already excellent Stealth USB cable (itself ranked as a close tie for second place with my previous favorite Purist 30th Anniversary in a head-to-head faceoff during David’s earlier visit to my home), the sound with the Galileo UEF USB cable in place was simply better in every way, particularly in harmonic completeness and, without question, adding the heft and meat to the lower frequencies that I had felt to be absent before the change. It was as if the SEs instantly gained another octave in the low bass, providing a much more robust foundation for the rest of the frequency range.

Secondly, the Galieo USB cable added greater musical tension to the presentation. Ambient information was more audible and the added rhythm and pace showed a new, more harmonically-complete side of the SEs. Strings became more yin vs yang compared to before. Now I felt that the lower half of the SE’s cabinet (the woofer section) was matching the excellent upper half that had consistently impressed me from the get-go. I quickly found myself mesmerized by the SEs to the point of distraction, much like my oldest grandson’s zombie-like state when in his cyber-game world. Completely and entirely captivated.

At this point we both decided the critical listening/comparison portion of the visit had reached its apex, so we spent the rest of the time rifling through our Tidal favorites. No matter what David and I threw at this latest combination of gear and cabling, the SEs passed the gestalt of each track with what I felt to be a superbly engaging connection between the music and the listener.

I still feel that the woofers in David’s SEs are just at the beginning of their conditioning journey, but, with the addition of the Galileo USB cable, they definitely showed their potential to deliver low frequency sound quality at the superior caliber of their mid and upper registers. In total, David’s system was now delivering a sonic experience that belies typical superlatives, adjectives, and such. The best compliment that I can offer is that the SEs delivered the music on a level I have only experienced with a few much more expensive speakers, while soundly thrashing the majority I have heard in the process.

The $6500 asking price of these speakers is simply ridiculous. That is to say a ridiculously fantastic value...

Dave
Dave,

Thanks for that wonderfully detailed, descriptive and insightful review of David's system. I hope I'm fortunate enough on my next visit to NO that I get the pleasure of meeting David and hearing his system. 

I am really enjoying my SE's driven by Aric Audios linestage and 300B SET but would love to hear what a Pass amp would bring to the table also. Maybe the XA-25 teajay is loving so much. 

Im glad to hear your take on their bass. I don't have nearly as many hours on my SE's as David does and while I can't say there really anything lacking in he low end I've been feeling there's more to come and your impressions give me hope that there is.

Its always a pleasure sharing ones system with likeminded others and hearing their systems as well. As much as I've gained from reading this thread nothing compares to actually hearing other systems in order to open your aural horizons and bring to light equipment  options you would have never contemplated otherwise. 

Thanks again for your impressions,
Tom


Dave,
+1 Tom's comments. Very well depressed and an enjoyable read.

David,
Congratulations on your excellent system.  You've put the wok and time in to achieve this level of success. 
Charles 
Dave - Excellent review! Very well written and clear. I already knew the Double Impacts (SE) are excellent so the message it conveyed most to me is how much the speakers can scale up and down based on the equipment they are used with.

You inserted a $3,000 Synergistic Research Galileo UEF USB cable and heard "...heft and meat to the lower frequencies that I had felt to be absent before the change. It was as if the SEs instantly gained another octave in the low bass, providing a much more robust foundation for the rest of the frequency range."  Wow!  I haven't had that kind of change with different cables but it shows how capable this speaker design by Eric really is! 
On the heels of the two most recent posts to this now legendary thread.

The last time I contributed to this post I was a couple of days away from delivery of my DI's. At that time my set consisted of a pair of MCIntosh MC 601', a Mac C2300 preamp and a pair of Focal Sopra 2's. I had long been a, "Mac Guy" but while doing some auditioning prior to the purchase of the Sopra's, I had a chance to listen to many other gear builders best work. Once the DI's were wired into the set up, I knew immediately that the Sopra's were going to be sold...they were that good at a fraction of what I had recently paid for the Focal's. 

After letting the DI's break in for a few weeks, I knew next that the Mac gear was soon to follow in the path of the Sopra's. Enter a pair of Pass Labs XA 60.8's and the XP 20 line stage. However now I needed a phono preamp, as the Mac 2300 was pretty versatile in that it had a better than average phono stage. Impressed by all the accolades many  on this thread were saying about Aric Kimball of Aric Audio that I reached out to Aric and picked up one of his MM preamps. Upon plugging it it and wiring it up, I was blown away with the sound that was coming from my turntable compared to the Mac!  Richness, detail, dimensionality, it was there in spades. However I was becoming less than impressed with the Pass XP-20 line stage. It was anemic compared to my neighbors Audio Research Reference 5 that I plugged in as reference. 

At this time I realized that I needed to go back to a tube preamp to get the sound that I desired and that fit my listening room best. Tube Research Labs, The Dude came up and was highly regarded by our very own Grannyring as being the best sounding preamp he has heard at any price point. Now I had to have one, but quickly learned that the company had folded after the founder's recent passing and finding one on the used market was going to be a test of my patience, which is in very short supply. I reached back to Aric and mentioned how much I loved his phono preamp and could he build me something that resembled The Dude in terms of its overbuilt everything and use of the best components available. He said that he would be more than happy to work with me on this, "cost no object" piece, but he would also send me one of his current preamps to listen to in the meantime and to use as a base point. Once I received and plugged it into the system and fed those fantastic XA 60.8's, the XP-20 was for sale. The synergy that I was hoping to gain by having two pieces of Pass gear was not there, but  Aric's preamp was sonic bliss! 

Fast forward to today and Aric has completed the preamp and is now letting it break in to fine tune the finished product. I am going to let Aric provide the details of the build and to field any questions, but excitedly he states that it is one of the best pieces of gear to come off his bench. Aric has been great to work with and is treasure in our little esoteric audio community! Those of you who are familiar with Aric and his fine products know very well what I am speaking of, and for those of you who are continuously, "chasing the audio dragon", you owe it to yourself to reach out to Aric! 

Oh, and by the way...The other Eric (who's masterful works we sing of), Tekton DI's continued to impress me and all those who are privy to my listening room to the extent that I have ordered the SE's and they are in the production queue!

Cheers and happy listening!

Brian