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Looking for vintage Quad ESL's - or my wife thinks a "shrink" becase she says I'm crazy!

Been out of the hi-fi ’scene’ since the early 80’s. My last system was a pair of Quad ESL-57’s with a Quad 303 amp, Hafler DH101 pre-amp (kit I built) and a Linn LP-12 and Grace tonearm (can’t remember what cartridge I had). I bought all of it for a song back then. The speakers were $300 (nobody knew what they were or what they were worth), I got the LP12 for $500 (salesman accommodation). The power amp and pre-amp were $200 combined. Oh yeah, I worked at a hi-fi store in Chapel Hill NC which explains some of the deals I got. Sold *everything* to pay for a down payment on a trailer as I had just gotten married. Skip 35 years, raised three kids, put them all through college, worked as a software engineer until retiring. Now I want to get back into my original passion. I can’t afford to buy new stuff, the price has gone ballistic. So, I’m beginning again to put together a system to listen to my music on. I still have my Hafler pre-amp which I will use if it still works until I can get something better. I just bought two 125 watt monoblock tube amplifier kits from Bob Latino (www.tubes4hifi.com). I love building things and am very handy with a soldering iron! Also, I always loved the sound of tubes.

Speakers...That’s where I need help. I *really* loved the way my old Quad ESL-57’s sounded. When I was 15 (I’m now 66) my friends dad had stacked Quad ESL-57’s and I swear I’ve NEVER heard anything as good since then! That’s why I’m really wanting to go back to electrostatic speakers. I’ve auditioned some of the Martin Logan stuff at Best Buy. I’m astounded that they are distributed in that chain..I also was flabbergasted that McIntosh was sold there too. Regardless, the salespeople don’t know what to demonstrate let alone setup up quality hifi equipment. They sounded terrible. Even after listening to the ML speakers on several different occasions I concluded I don’t like the way they sound. I still think a proper pair of Quad’s is the way to go. The problem is finding a pair! I’ve discovered Electrostatic Solutions LTD and if I get a decent looking pair intend to have them rebuilt there. I’m guessing after I find a pair and get them refurbished I’ll be spending between $4K and $5K. Unless I find a great deal on a pair that is already up to snuff.

DAC - I never knew what a DAC was until recently but conclude that I need one since I will be listening to music streaming from my iPhone, my Mac Mini etc. I feel really ignorant on what kind of DAC I need. I’ve noticed that some of them can double as a pre-amp too and hook directly up my power amps. That might be good for a temporary solution until I can get a proper preamp. Still, DAC’s can range from $500 - $15K. I have no idea what features I need or whether the low end DAC’s are even worth it.

I really need some suggestions. If I had the money I’d go to an audiophile salon and buy my equipment proper. But I don’t so I have to get the best equipment I can with my limited resources. I’m not exactly poor, but I could never justify to my wife spending $20K on audio equipment. Dang, I looked into getting another Linn Sondek LP12. The price is sky high compared to my ’82 version although there are differences between the basic model I had in 1982 and what they’re producing now. Still...I may need to wait on a turntable until I get speakers and a DAC.

I feel overcome with choices! New gear, used gear, electrostatic speakers, conventional speakers... Maybe my wife is right. I need some Valium and a good shrink!!

Mark in Big Stone Gap VA

markcooperstein
clio09
3,346 posts
 
You can buy all the parts necessary for your Quad 57s on eBay or directly from Kent at ESL. You would need the protection circuit board and while you are in there might as well install an upgraded power supply board. The parts are reasonably priced, so your challenge is you install them well or pay well to have them installed. After that enjoy your speakers with the amp of your choice.

About the only negative in the 57s is the 90 Hz resonance. You can sometimes hear this when the speaker slaps/vibrates on loud passages. You can avoid this by biamping with an active crossover cut at 100 Hz. I use 4 passive bass speakers placed asymmetrically around the room, Atmasphere or Music Reference OTL on the 57s, Luxmam M-02 for the bass speakers. It's stacked quads without the stack.
trelja
3,223 posts
 
@markcooperstein, "When I was 15 (I’m now 66) my friends dad had stacked Quad ESL-57’s and I swear I’ve NEVER heard anything as good since then!"

I very much agree with you.  I doubt you will hear anything as good going forward, either, including the subsequent Quad electrostatic offerings.  Those that followed certainly sound different, and may have addressed some of the issues that folks had with the original.  But they also took some things away.  For many, including myself, a magic and rightness exists in the ESL57 that doesn't elsewhere.

@markcooperstein, "I still think a proper pair of Quad’s is the way to go. The problem is finding a pair! I’ve discovered Electrostatic Solutions LTD and if I get a decent looking pair intend to have them rebuilt there. I’m guessing after I find a pair and get them refurbished I’ll be spending between $4K and $5K. Unless I find a great deal on a pair that is already up to snuff."

You're right in terms of pricing for a rebuilt pair.  Considering so many loudspeakers today carry the price tag of a good new car, yet don't bring near as much happiness, you've found something offering great value.  Actually, they are pretty easy to obtain here, ebay, or the other sites that specialize in high-end audio gear.  Best to stay patient, and give yourself at least a few months to land the right pair, though if they appear, don't dither.  You don't necessarily need a pair that's already rebuilt.  So many of those offered on the used market still work fine.  If you come into some with no issues, use them and enjoy them.  If / when the time comes for a rebuild, then you can cross that bridge at the point.

Finally, your Bob Latino amplifiers should mate with the Quads fine.  A rebuilt pair normally include the protection circuitry.  If you move on an original pair, remember so many drove theirs for very long periods of time without issue using Dynaco amplifiers back then, including the MKIII monos these are based on.  Presuming you don't go nuts, the speakers should not have any problems
willemj
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Well, I have both the ELS 57 and the 2805. As I said before, they are of the same family, but honestly, I can compare them directly next to each other. The ELS 57 was a brilliant speaker for its time, but the 2805 is really better. It has a more extended bass response, a wider less directional pattern, and most of all a far more natural spatial representation and a cleaner sound.
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byang12
39 posts
 
Terry9,
I do not think you really is a audiophiler  since you can not tell the difference between quad 57s being driven by transformer coupled tube and otl amps. 
I have owned 4 diff otl type amps to drive both sound lab and quad electrostatic speakers.
The only one has enough juice is 3c33c based monster mono  block otl amps.
Others cant deal with sound labs at all and have high distortion such that the best quad 57s decayed sweet
miiddle range got lost.
The problem with otl amps is they have very low damping factor and have heavily applying negative feedback to stablelize the amp, which is against the audiophilers‘  principle
 of no negative  feedback in power amp.
Actually if you have a ee  degree, you should know all otl amp is cathode output amps, which have embedded negative feedback,degrees sound. 
markcooperstein OP
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please byang12, NO bad juju in my thread! Everybody is welcome to their opinion, even you, a 'true audiophile!'


Mark

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