Some of the Worst Offenders in Bad Audio Forum Behavior Are Not Regular Forum Members


I've noticed first hand a disturbing trend over at Stereophile for the past couple of years that whenever someone knowledgeable challenges the mantra put forth by some of their editors, the Chief Editor, Mr. Atkinson, demands that the poster put forth personal information about themselves and any possible affiliations they may have with regard to employment that Mr. Atkinson might consider some kind of conflict of interest. Most notably, this occurred recently with a user named Archimago - a popular member of Computer Audiophile who extensively examined MQA, it's claims, and the claims made for it by Stereophile staff. Mr. Atkinson repeatedly challenged the author for his identity and professional affiliations - without which, he would disregard the message conveyed by said forum member. Mr. Atkinson has gone even further in other instances of which I personally witnessed first hand. He insists on banning from Stereophile's forum anyone whom he believes has a duty to publicly identify themselves without specifying the criteria behind the demand - other than that an industry affiliation might exist. I would encourage readers here to visit Computer Audiophile and search for Archimago /MQA discussions to see what I'm on about first hand.

The point of raising this is not necessarily to drag Mr. Atkinson through the mud but to highlight a key aspect of hypocrisy with respect to Mr. Atkinson's "policy" and how that relates to ALL online forums. Time and again, we're reminded in various forums when ideas are presented and challenged in a heated atmosphere - "FOCUS ON THE SUBJECT MATTER - NOT THE CREDENTIALS OR PERCEIVED FAILINGS OF THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING HIS OR HER POINT". This in my view has always been good advice. When we "play the ball" and not  "the man", it is much easier to maintain a civil exchange of ideas/experiences.  So where does Mr. Atkinson's insistence on identifying qualifications of the person fit in to this concept? It seems that every time he or a staff member is personally challenged for facts, he resorts to this "policy" as a form of censorship.  So basically what I"m saying here is that there's plenty of evidence that in some circles, the very people who should be encouraging us all to focus on the merits of the message - letting it stand or fall on its own without involving the supposed "credentials" of the messenger, - these people are in fact the worst offenders among us. Instead of setting a good example and sticking to it, they are doing the opposite while on occasion imploring the rest of us "regular members" to "do as I say - not as I do". I no longer participate in Stereophile forums because of this obvious cute form of censorship that has been employed. I hope that kind of thing never happens here on Audiogon. My guess, however, is that since Agon moderators aren't in the business of promoting/reviewing certain products that come along, that issue is not likely to present itself.
In any case, how do you feel about the privacy rights of other forum members? Should everyone be required to put forth their real name and potential industry affiliation or should that only apply to people who appear to be trying to sell something other than knowledge in the course of posting?
cj1965

Hi Tom

I tune systems. I'm not really interested in going down the road you suggest I do. I like Nelson and I like Dan. I give a list of products I tune and have tuned on TuneLand.

I like all stereos and finding out what they offer in a tunable capacity. If you do look at TuneLand you will read listeners being more specific about head to head comparisons. here's an example

http://tuneland.forumotion.com/t415-lattis-system

Keep in mind please I'm not here to ruffle feathers, I'm here to show the people who want to learn more about tuning to do so, or visit with others who have been tuning.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

I agree with the OP. Facts are facts. Who you are doesn't change that. If you have something worthwhile to share but don't want to reveal yourself then you've still shared something worthwhile. The best way to dismiss someone is to prove them wrong. Obviously Atkinson can't in these cases or that's what he would do.

That said, the only thing I reference Stereophile for are the measurements. At least I have to give them credit for not being 100% subjective.
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gdhal

geoffkait - Tell me about it.

What would your like to know? And for what purpose?
 
“Sometimes it’s better to keep one’s yap shut.” - paraphrase of Albert Einstein
@cj1965- this thread has certainly morphed. Your initial complaint was that JA at Stereophile unfairly discriminated against those with contrary views by demanding their credentials, rather than focusing on the merits of the comment about a particular piece of gear or technology. Now, your view seems to be that the high end is ridden with bling, fluff and unwarranted performance claims. But, aren't you painting with too broad a brush? I don't find my longtime use of an LP player to be an exercise in nostalgia, but the reflection of decades of investment in the format that I would be hard pressed to duplicate in digital for many reasons, not the least being the cost of equipment delivering arguably comparable performance, leaving aside the difficulty, if not impossibility, of finding these recordings other than on early, and now hard to find pressings.
I'm not suggesting that one accept hyperbole, but few here do-- to the contrary, the best threads seem to focus on real world experience by a universe of users with no agenda other than sorting the wheat from the chaff. These are not credentialed reviewers, but people who put their own money into the various products and can speak with some authority about their experience. Wasn't that precisely what you were arguing for when you started this thread?
@whart
I appreciate your comment and viewpoint however before completely side tracking the thread I would like to respectfully request that you start a new thread on turntables or add to a preexisting thread on that subject pertaining to nostalgia. My purpose in bringing up Fremer was to draw attention to the impact a trade magazine can have in light of comments that have downplayed its role or significance.