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Is the 2.5 way speaker the ideal home speaker?

Time for what I hope is another fun thread. 

One type of speaker which is actually pretty common but which gets little press / attention here on audiogon is the 2.5 way. 

A 2.5 way speaker is almost a 3-way, but it isn't. It is a speaker with 3 drivers, but instead of a tweeter, midrange and woofer (TMW) it lacks a true midrange. The "midrange" is really a mid-woofer, that shares bass duties with the woofer. Often these two drivers are identical, though in the Focal Profile 918 the midwoofer and woofer were actually different drivers with the same nominal diameter (6"). 

The Monitor Audio 200 is a current example of the concept, but I am sure there are many others. It's also quite popular in kit form. One of the most high-end kits I know of is the Ophelia based on a ScanSpeak Be tweeter and 6" Revelator mid-woofers. I haven't heard them, but I am in eternal love with those mid-woofers. I believe the original plans come from the German speaker building magazine Klan Ton. 

However many other kits are also available

But regardless of kit, or store purchased, are you a 2.5 way fan? Why or why not? 

Best,


Erik 
erik_squires
erik_squires OP
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Hi Helo,

Interesting! Point me to a low crossover 3-way, please! :)

Though I think JA speakers does this. Their steep crossover slops let them push the tweeter lower than most.

Best,

E
helomech
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^ Eric,

Revel F206 : 2.1kHz

Monitor Audio Silver 8: 2.7 kHz

Paradigm Monitor 11 v7: 2.2 kHz

Paradigm Persona 3: 2.4 kHz


The first 3 I auditioned extensively. I owned the Silver 8s for a year They all lacked some coherency IMO. 
erik_squires OP
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Interesting! I always assumed otherwise. Especially with the Monitor Audio, that tweeter doesn't really have a lot of low end extension.

Definitely not how I would do a 3-way at all, but then hey, I'm not making the big bucks designing speakers.  It'd get a very lively, composite midrange and cross it over at 3-5kHz 

Best,

E
helomech
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Eric,

The only 3-ways I currently own are Klipsch Heresy IIIs. I just looked up their crossover point, it's a rather high 5kHz. These speakers still lack coherency unless listening from a distance of 11' or more. I would guess that is most likely due to horn beaming, though the others I mentioned also benefit from such distance. I sit about 9' from the speakers in my main rig. Of all the 3-ways I've tried, none work for me in such proximity. I imagine a design like the Elac Adantes might work.
erik_squires OP
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I tend to crossover at 2 kHz or slightly lower since I have only really made 2-ways so far, and don't have an issue with any coherency. One pair sits on my desktop. The near field listening is a real treat given my living room is an acoustic mess.
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