uberwaltz,
I disagree that this thread ever really had a chance to be somehow worthwhile. There are some issues touched upon in the OP that I think are extremely worthwhile and COULD have made for some really great conversation - e.g. the role of empiricism and theory in our hobby.
But if you actually look at the character of the OP, it essentially doomed this thread. This is because it wasn't simply presented as something like 'Let's discuss the role of actual experience, empirical testing and theory in our hobby - what is essential to grounding out conclusions?" etc.
Instead it was actually presented from the outset as a gripe, as an opportunity to diss so Green could implicate some unnamed transgressors as "fakes." This negative characterization is in the thread title, all through his post, even up to his last question "...why fake it?"
In a thread claiming some people (who????) are "fakes" in terms of their views on some high end audio subject...I wonder how exactly this thread could have ended well?
We could of course simply ignore the subject and tenor of the OP and talk about some other subject, and that could have gone well. But I don't see how following the lead set by Green in his OP could have ended up anything but a gripe and diss session: his aim wasn't talk of empiricism per se, but at implicating people as "fakes."
I disagree that this thread ever really had a chance to be somehow worthwhile. There are some issues touched upon in the OP that I think are extremely worthwhile and COULD have made for some really great conversation - e.g. the role of empiricism and theory in our hobby.
But if you actually look at the character of the OP, it essentially doomed this thread. This is because it wasn't simply presented as something like 'Let's discuss the role of actual experience, empirical testing and theory in our hobby - what is essential to grounding out conclusions?" etc.
Instead it was actually presented from the outset as a gripe, as an opportunity to diss so Green could implicate some unnamed transgressors as "fakes." This negative characterization is in the thread title, all through his post, even up to his last question "...why fake it?"
In a thread claiming some people (who????) are "fakes" in terms of their views on some high end audio subject...I wonder how exactly this thread could have ended well?
We could of course simply ignore the subject and tenor of the OP and talk about some other subject, and that could have gone well. But I don't see how following the lead set by Green in his OP could have ended up anything but a gripe and diss session: his aim wasn't talk of empiricism per se, but at implicating people as "fakes."