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noble100 ,
I think Johnny was referring to the integrated equalizer in the new Sub 3.
As far as I know, there are no subs with equalizers incorporated."
Hi gdnrbob,
Thanks for responding for audioconnection/Johnny.
I understand audioconnection/Johnny is a home audio retailer with Audio Connect in N.J. that sells Vandersteen products. He seems to be justifiably enthused about Vandersteen's soon to be available Sub Three. It appears to be a very nice sub for $2,500.
However, implying that incorporating a 7-band analog equalizer in the Sub Three demonstrates 'thinking outside the box' is a bit of a stretch. The truth is that it's basically a conventional sub with an equalizer added.
An equalizer will not be able to eliminate, or compensate for, the vast majority of bass standing waves that inevitably result from having a single sub in a room. With proper positioning, the best one could expect to achieve would be good bass response at the preferred listening position. This will hold true for all single sub systems, no matter the cost or competency of the single sub employed.
As I understand it, analog equalizers such as those incorporated in the Sub Three and the Swarm's sub amplifier are useful mainly in compensating for any bass 'slap' present in some rooms that is caused by the reflection of bass sound waves off the floor and to the ceiling.
The above is not just my opinion. It is a summary of the results of years of scientific research and experiments conducted by acoustical scientists Earl Geddes, Floyd O'toole and Todd Welti, among others.
These experts state that deploying 2 subs will result in fewer bass standing waves and better bass response in the room. Deploying 3 subs will further significantly reduce bass standing waves, 4 subs will eliminate the vast majority and any additional subs beyond 4 will only result in smaller incremental improvements in bass response in any given room.
However, utilizing 4 Vandersteen Sub Threes would cost about $10,000 while the complete Audio Kinesis Swarm or Debra 4 sub systems both are priced at $3,000 or less and likely are less intrusive.
I'd imagine the Sub Threes would definitely produce more bass than the Swarm system but I'm not certain which system's bass would sound best and, if the Sub Three system did sound best, whether it sounds $7,000 better.
Tim
I think Johnny was referring to the integrated equalizer in the new Sub 3.
As far as I know, there are no subs with equalizers incorporated."
Hi gdnrbob,
Thanks for responding for audioconnection/Johnny.
I understand audioconnection/Johnny is a home audio retailer with Audio Connect in N.J. that sells Vandersteen products. He seems to be justifiably enthused about Vandersteen's soon to be available Sub Three. It appears to be a very nice sub for $2,500.
However, implying that incorporating a 7-band analog equalizer in the Sub Three demonstrates 'thinking outside the box' is a bit of a stretch. The truth is that it's basically a conventional sub with an equalizer added.
An equalizer will not be able to eliminate, or compensate for, the vast majority of bass standing waves that inevitably result from having a single sub in a room. With proper positioning, the best one could expect to achieve would be good bass response at the preferred listening position. This will hold true for all single sub systems, no matter the cost or competency of the single sub employed.
As I understand it, analog equalizers such as those incorporated in the Sub Three and the Swarm's sub amplifier are useful mainly in compensating for any bass 'slap' present in some rooms that is caused by the reflection of bass sound waves off the floor and to the ceiling.
The above is not just my opinion. It is a summary of the results of years of scientific research and experiments conducted by acoustical scientists Earl Geddes, Floyd O'toole and Todd Welti, among others.
These experts state that deploying 2 subs will result in fewer bass standing waves and better bass response in the room. Deploying 3 subs will further significantly reduce bass standing waves, 4 subs will eliminate the vast majority and any additional subs beyond 4 will only result in smaller incremental improvements in bass response in any given room.
However, utilizing 4 Vandersteen Sub Threes would cost about $10,000 while the complete Audio Kinesis Swarm or Debra 4 sub systems both are priced at $3,000 or less and likely are less intrusive.
I'd imagine the Sub Threes would definitely produce more bass than the Swarm system but I'm not certain which system's bass would sound best and, if the Sub Three system did sound best, whether it sounds $7,000 better.
Tim