Cartridge Loading- Low output M/C


I have a Plinius Koru- Here are ADJUSTABLE LOADS-
47k ohms, 22k ohms, 1k ohms, 470 ohms, 220 ohms, 100 ohms, 47 ohms, 22 ohms

I'm about to buy an Ortofon Cadenza Bronze that recommends loading at 50-200 ohms

Will 47 ohms work? Or should I start out at 100 ohms?

I'm obviously not well versed in this...and would love all the help I can get.

Also is there any advantage to buying a phono cartridge that loads exactly where the manufacturer recommends?

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
krelldog
Hi Raul,

With regard to the OP's situation, all I was basically saying is that he is likely to obtain better results using the 100 pf setting of his phono stage rather than the 570 pf setting, assuming that he optimizes the resistive loading that is used with the 100 pf setting by listening.

Regards,
-- Al 
There is a massive misunderstanding that seems implicit with Raul's post, which is not surprising since Raul  prefers digital audio... no idea why he posts here.

This is not about money, its the physics of why its worth it do to it right, which does not cost any more. If your phono section is requiring that you use loading resistances, follow my suggestions here and above.

Input capacitance is a thing with all phono sections. It can be considered to be in parallel with the cartridge inductance, and so reduces the resonant frequency that is always present, which should be kept as high as possible. If ever there was an argument for a vacuum tube input, this might well be it, since tubes have far less input capacitance.
Alternatively, if one were to use a stepup transformer, the transformer blocks the RFI resonance due to bandwidth limitations and may well be why some people prefer using an SUT with their phono sections. SUTs are their own bag of tricks- to get them to work right, they have to be loaded at their output to prevent the transformer from ringing (distorting). This value is different for every cartridge as each cartridge has a different impedance and transformers transform impedance. Usually the transformer manufacturer will have an idea of what the correct loading will be (a good example in this regard is Jensen, who also makes some of the best SUTs made).

At any rate, keeping the cable capacitance low is important for proper phono reproduction! @krelldog , there are no specs (just 'features') on the page you linked.

If no SUT is used, one should always start with 47K since that is the industry standard and has been for decades. This value is used because its less susceptible to noise that a higher input impedance might be, while easily driven by moving magnet cartridges which are very susceptible to loading at audio frequencies, unlike moving coil cartridges (unless the latter is high output, since its the inductance that causes the susceptibility). From there reducing the loading resistance can be explored if needed.

**The highest value you can use is recommended for best results.**

That can be considered a general rule of thumb.

Again, if the phono section is unstable or has poor overload margins the result will be more ticks and pops. People often ask me how I get such low noise reproduction without ticks and pops and that is the secret. Many people grew up with unstable phono sections (most Japanese phono equalizers made during the 60s, 70s and 80s were unstable) and so just assume that ticks and pops are part of the LP experience, but it does not have to be that way.
Dear @almarg : " basically saying ", now I understand you and now your advise is useful when the post of the atmasphere it's not for the OP.

But he always post with a hidden agenda that sooner or latter comes out like in this regards:

for a few time ago he was posting here and elsewhere the same about that capacitance LOMC issue and he just posted here:

"  People often ask me how I get such low noise reproduction without ticks and pops and that is the secret. "

why he posted that? no one is asking for but he did it because he is a seller a very agressive seller that always post with a hidden agenda. Now, the ones that read here know that his electronics are just " perfect ".

I'm not against any manufacturer as him what is not valid is to post trying not really to help ( as you ) but to sell " something ". It's the same with TP tonearms and everything where he has or look for a bu$ine$$.

"""  Raul prefers digital audio... no idea why he posts here  ""

well I don't know why this forum permits to a seller to promotes in an audiophile threads because he never gives an advice as an audiophiile but as a seller. He is not like J.Carr that posted and post in Agon and other forums and you will never read JC promoting anything he doings only gives honest advices as an audiophile. 

Time to report it.

R.




Raul, All you have to do is have a stable phono section. I'm not the only one that makes one by any means. JCarr is aware of this issue and he offers phono sections as well. Nelson Pass seems to be as well, his phono sections work without ticks or pops too. I think we can add Jim Hagerman to that list. His website has a lot of useful information on this topic:http://www.hagtech.com/loading.html
It seems to me that the real problem is that you now realize that you have ticks and pops and now you know a reason for it that you didn't before. That sort of revelation usually doesn't sit well with a person that likes to think they have everything sorted out.




Atmasphere- I appreciate all your insight and help. I currently have no ticks and pops with my analog setup.VPI Prime-Plinius Koru-Pass Labs Integrated 60 -Phono Cable is VPI with ground-Interconnect from Phono pre to the Pass Integrated is AudienceAU 24 i XLR. BTW my cartridge is an Ortofon Black Quintet.
With that said...because I have no issues currently-does this suggest that I have a stable phono section?
Thanks in advance.