Why are my woofers pumping?


The other day, with sunlight direct from the side, I noticed that the woofers in my speakers are pumping in and out, much more than I was aware of, when the stylus is in the groove, even between tracks (no music).  I can see it, even if I don’t hear it. Why does it happen? The woofers behave normally (no pumping) with digital music, and when the stylus it lifted from the groove, so it is not the speakers, amps, preamp or phono stage. 

I’ve read that the typical reason for woofer pumping is that the cartridge / arm resonance is too low.  I tested, with my Hifi News test record, and yes, the lateral test puts the resonance at 7 hz or so – too low (but I’ve seen some doubts about the results from that test record).  It is strange, since the combo I use – Lyra Atlas cartridge and  SME V arm (on a Hanss T-30 player) is supposed to work well. I tried to strip my arm of extras, cleaned the damping trough, etc – but it did not help much.

Anyone has an idea, why it happens, or what to do about it?  


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Testing the Titan i (ca 2008 model).

To my surprise, there is little to no subsonic pumping. Much like the Clavis. Or maybe a little more. But clearly different from the Atlas. The woofers are more engaged, more vibrations, changing from Clavis to Titan - but this fits what I hear, it is fast vibrations, not pumping.

Sonically the Titan is a clear step up from the Clavis (today, also) with wider, deeper, better detail, better e g on female voices (R L Jones: Evening..). On Pink Floyd’s Echoes, the soundscape is now almost as large as with the Atlas, although still a bit more harsh, less natural, with some sibilants (I could cure some of it through adjustments).

I had expected a gradient, according to resonance theory. The Clavis should pump least, the Titan some, and the Atlas most.

But the results - so far - are more one of a kind. The Atlas pumps, the others don’t. This makes me suspect suspension wear or some other non-optimal condition in the Atlas. Yet I was surprised to find no signs of pumping with the Titan - since this has been used maybe 500-800 hours longer than the Atlas, so if suspension slack, wear and tear, is the culprit, it should show up there. But no.
"what I hear, it is fast vibrations, not pumping" - this needs a clarification.

What exactly is the symptom? With a better cart - changing from Clavis to Titan - I hear / see / touch woofer behavior changes (method described above: fingers slightly touching woofers, observing, listening). The woofers are more energized, asked to do more. The better cart offers more musical information, deep energy, etc. This "normal" energizing is quite easy to observe - you hear it as you see / touch it, and it is normally a fast movement, the woofer "shivers". Mainly (not always) what you see is what you hear. Sometimes there is woofer movement not clearly linked to sound, but it follows the same main pattern and is probably not serious.

The see/touch (you dont hear it) pumping is different. It is slower, more stately, rather than quick vibrations. It follows, more or less, a "once per revolution" pattern. There is no clear relation to the music, and it is easiest to see when the stylus is in the groove between tracks. The pumping is less observable when music plays, but there is (so far) no indication that it is "turned off", it is still there, but working in the background.  
The observant reader may ask why I did not try the Clavis and the Titan before, since I had them at my loft. That would have saved us a lot of speculation in this thread. The answer is that I thought they were broken, due to many hours on the Titan, and a cantilever problem on the Clavis. But both are playable, and good enough to test for woofer pumping.
Since I am testing mainly for subsonic woofer pumping the sonic impressions may be less relevant, but the experience is clear and maybe interesting for some of you. Listening in "retrospective" to the Clavis DC, allthough it sounds good, I have two problems, one is the limited soundscape, the other is the harsh almost digital type of sound in dynamic parts of the music. But if I had known no better I would have loved this cartridge - and I did, fifteen years ago! The Titan i that I got ten years ago was clearly was a major step up, from the Clavis - and it sounds very good today also. The soundscape became much wider and bigger, more width and depth, refinement and detail. The Atlas is some steps above the Titan. The wider and deeper soundscape was present with the Titan, but the Atlas improves and tunes it better so it sounds more natural. No looking back...
Dear @o_holter : ""  But the results - so far - are more one of a kind. The Atlas pumps, the others don’t. This makes me suspect suspension wear or some other non-optimal condition in the Atlas. ""

As I said in my posts you had to test your Clavis, that could be interesting to know about and now you already know why I told tou what I told you. Fine.

R.