**** Dave's music and soul are incongruous. Why does Frogman continue to connect the two? ****
Well, I could take exception with the use of “continue”, but let’s get to the meat of it instead. And I hope my response serves as an example of a reasoned attempt at dialogue instead of absurd and nonsensical personal attacks, name calling and accusations of trolling.
**** when referring to soul as in jazz, it has a special and very specific meaning. It carries with it the suffering of African Americans throughout a history of suffering brought on by the discrimination of the American system. ****
First, to suggest that being able to play with “soul” is the sole 😎 province of black musicians strikes me as not only inaccurate, but downright racist. I am sure you are not that, O-10; but, the implication is there.
**** “Soul" is that imperceptible something in jazz that you know it when you hear it, and there is nothing else like it; Soul can not be duplicated or imitated, some got it, and some ain’t got it ****
I agree with that comment. However, “playing with soul” is simply playing with emotion and feeling. That is how musicians use the term and how many listeners think of it. One does not have to be black to play with emotion (soul). As nsp points out, I think even Miles would agree. To use another of his examples: Bill Evans doesn’t play with soul?! One of the most deeply soulful piano players ever.
Brubeck played jazz; I think we can agree on that. The idea that in the jazz world the playing of a “giant among giants” is “incongruous” with emotion (soul), struck me as the epitome of incongruousness; hence my question: “How does that work?” Is this trolling? Really? I hope that answered your question.
https://youtu.be/nP1jkdz2lKw
Well, I could take exception with the use of “continue”, but let’s get to the meat of it instead. And I hope my response serves as an example of a reasoned attempt at dialogue instead of absurd and nonsensical personal attacks, name calling and accusations of trolling.
**** when referring to soul as in jazz, it has a special and very specific meaning. It carries with it the suffering of African Americans throughout a history of suffering brought on by the discrimination of the American system. ****
First, to suggest that being able to play with “soul” is the sole 😎 province of black musicians strikes me as not only inaccurate, but downright racist. I am sure you are not that, O-10; but, the implication is there.
**** “Soul" is that imperceptible something in jazz that you know it when you hear it, and there is nothing else like it; Soul can not be duplicated or imitated, some got it, and some ain’t got it ****
I agree with that comment. However, “playing with soul” is simply playing with emotion and feeling. That is how musicians use the term and how many listeners think of it. One does not have to be black to play with emotion (soul). As nsp points out, I think even Miles would agree. To use another of his examples: Bill Evans doesn’t play with soul?! One of the most deeply soulful piano players ever.
Brubeck played jazz; I think we can agree on that. The idea that in the jazz world the playing of a “giant among giants” is “incongruous” with emotion (soul), struck me as the epitome of incongruousness; hence my question: “How does that work?” Is this trolling? Really? I hope that answered your question.
https://youtu.be/nP1jkdz2lKw