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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
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audiopoint,

"Michael Green,

It’s a shame you decided to drag me back into this meaningless thread about walking or talking or whatever (?)…"

I think all of us feel animosity between two of you and it is really your own business. By no means do I have an intention to side with either one of you and I have, like many here, been called a troll by a few participants just for asking short and simple questions. That is another topic that you did, I think correctly, mention in your post.

However, I have to say that this thread, as meaningless as it may be, has given you and your products as much exposure as it has given to Michael Green’s. In short, it has given you an opportunity for no-cost marketing & advertising ploys and it has worked. Even more than that, it has given you an opportunity to blast "competitor’s" products while explaining why yours are better, along with smearing his character. And all of that under an umbrella of a forum dispute. You are doing it quite well and I enjoy learning about whatever you are doing and have visited your website to check it out. I doubt I am the only one. Of course, I did go to Michael Green’s website, too.


So, even if mention of Michael Green as a person may give you hives and even if you consider his products painfully inferior to yours, he deserves some credit for establishing a venue for promotion. His and yours. Not much wrong with that, but just to mention it has not been one-sided.

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geoffkait
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It’s no. 4. Here’s the blurb from Shun Mook. Pretty sneaky, eh? Another tip-off is you almost never see a photo of the top of the Mpingo disc, only the bottom with the Chinese characters. Very sneaky. But if you can find a top view in images of Mpingo disc you can clearly see the 1/2” diameter cutout I’m talking about. I just found one on Google images.

“The Mpingo Disc is invented by the Shun Mook team. It is made from a combination of Gaboon and Mpingo Ebony, *treated with a proprietary process* that gives the disc a unique property to regulate the resonance of any sonic component and its transmission. Yet this is a very simple item to use. Just place one to three disc on top of your preamp, CD transport, DA converter, turntable etc, and listen for the wonderful change in your Hi fi system. When this disc is excited by any external acoustic energy, it will resonate throughout the entire audible spectrum, thus overriding unwanted harmonic distortions and at the same enriching the musical reproduction.”


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geoffkait
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Ya gotta hand it to audiopoint and his feigned outrage routine. That has held him in good stead for quite some time here on the ‘Gon. 😬 We’ve even got a little bit of the Mutt and Jeff routine thing going with bro Tom.
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bdp24
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@glupson, audiopoint was referring to my August 27th, 3:01 PM post on this page.
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