Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Really MG?

The vast majority of members here believe those type of threads to just be troll fodder and are not being taken seriously.

Surely you do not want your thread to be compared as similar to those, hmm?

This thread's OP says what it says. "why fake it?". The answers to this are spread throughout this forum.

MG

@michaelgreenaudio 
Since starting this thread we have seen at least 50 threads that give testament to the OP.
MG - The thread cited as an example in your most recent post is a BS effort to create a caste system where an elite group owns "expensive and ultra expensive gear" and are persecuted by those who do not own expensive gear and therefore cannot possibly understand.  There are no examples of this given by the OP and I have called him out to provide specifics.

Respectively, your thread here is not the same as the example thread since your premise has almost nothing to do with money and expensive gear.  I suggest you not align your thread with that one.  However, there is the similarity that both threads promote a premise of an "us and them" division among audiophiles.

Hi Mitch

This thread is about talking without really walking, and the question, why fake it if you haven't really done it.

I find the thread I pointed to as doing exactly that. I don't fault the OP or the participants. I simply ask, why do people in this hobby do the talking about things that they haven't truly explored, and then act as though they have experience?

All of life is an us and them, until we actually "do". There is no good or bad in it, just talking vs walking.


mg