Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Mike 

I cannot find anywhere on this site that you spent a penny let alone 30 to 50 American dollars..Tom

Hi Tom

I’m not sure when you became an Audiogoner. I believe our last ads here would have been around 2004 or so. Steven at that time visited my place here in Vegas and discussed what the future of Audiogon might look like, along with the rest of HEA. Richard Beers and I had similar talks (among others), where was HEA going and how does it get there. HEA as a whole turned out to be a lot slower to getting there (wherever there was to be) then any of us thought. Lots of great ideas around that time but little momentum. HEA should have grown but somehow went in reverse.

Around the same time I was offered two pretty sweet deals that took my focus away from HEA. One was with my dream company Herman Miller and the other the chance to design an entire music department for SUNY, two opportunities there was no way I was going to pass up.

I dipped my toe a few times back in HEA, but there has always been enough private clients to keep me going without jumping in with both feet. Now that the Tuning Buzz is back in swing, we’ll see. Thanks for asking!

I’ve just made a shipment off to Malaysia to some great listeners and I’m excited to see their response to the Rev Speakers. As you know there is a Tunable Room already there full of my goodies, so we’ll see how the speakers fit in. The speakers also just got another great review so, yes, I’m tip toeing around spending some ad money when the time is right.

On Audiogon though, as I told them, I’m not so much interested in doing ads here until the internet trolling is cleared up on the forum. I thrive off of good vibes not bad, so I’m somewhat into building good vibes here, but the jury is still out on if it will take hold.

In the meantime I’m still trying to figure out how to proceed with Vegas. Finding the right place, the right size, has been interesting. Moving on the Strip I found that my place is now way too small and even renting another space here to add to it, I’m still too cramped plus zoning, aarrggg. The last 3 weeks I’ve been house shopping so I can get these current Tunable Rooms out to folks. Always a balance these days, either too far out of town or too little space for the bigger projects. Thank God I have the greatest clients (friends) in the biz.

take care Tom, hope you and Robert are doing well and have enjoyed the summer

Michael Green

michaelgreenaudio
On Audiogon though, as I told them, I’m not so much interested in doing ads here until the internet trolling is cleared up on the forum.

>>>Should be any day, now. The wheels are in motion. 
All very interesting but still who decides just who is a troll and what is the definition for a troll?
Ask most people here and like everything you will get a different opinion.
Again I am all for it but who writes the guidelines?

Hi Uberwaltz

The definition is simple.

"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll’s amusement or a specific gain."

Who writes the guidelines? Audiogon.

It’s Audiogon’s forum. It’s either going to be here tomorrow or it won’t. That’s a decision only they can make. We can give our thoughts on this, but what they do as a company will determine their fate. Time isn’t going to stand still for any of us and opportunities are always there if people choose to use them.

I would say 95% of the people who visit this forum have good vibes or good vibe potential. I would also say, if you get rid of the haters who can’t change their ways the rest of the people on borderline will start or continue to project their best self. When folks hang around bad vibes they in time adopt those bad vibes, however the reverse is also true. There’s no need to over think it, it will just happen. It’s all about sewing seeds. Ultimately people want to be on an upswing. For some it comes natural and for others it’s tough cause they don’t really feel good about themselves or the cards they think they have been dealt. With the folks who don’t have true self esteem you will always find two traits. One they will lie, and two, they will be the first to say someone else is lying.

The definition of trolls is pretty easy when you think about it.

Michael Green