Please tutor me on some integrated amp basics.


I’ve recently purchased Magico A3 speakers and a VPI Classic 2 SE turntable with an Ortofon Black 2M moving magnet cartridge. I have a Marantz SA 8005 CD/SACD player to play the few (maybe a hundred or so) CD’s in my possession.
I’ve mostly vinyl albums and no streaming sources. I’m next going to upgrade my old amp/preamp purchased back in the late 70’s with a new, probably integrated, one and am starting to do some research.

Here’s where I need some tutoring. A lot has changed since the seventies with the advent of digital technology. As well as I need to learn more about amplification components in the high end of audio technology. I keep running across terms I don’t understand. I’ll give you a list and if someone would be kind enough to explain these basics I’d be obliged.

For instance I was reading about the Hegel H360 integrated amp that Magico’s Alon Wolf recommended for their A3’s. The review mentioned they were a Class A/B amp, another person commented Class A’s were better, and a third person said he didn’t care for Class D amps. What do these classes signify? 

A second question is about DACs. I generally understand their purpose of the DAC, converting a digital to an analog signal. However my only digital device, the Marantz SA 8005 already has a DAC, ostensibly of good quality. The turntable ’s Ortofon cartridge would not need to play through a DAC, I presume. Would I bypass the CD’s players DAC if I purchase the higher quality Hegel H360 integrated amp?. Or could I find an equivalent integrated amp without an integral DAC?

On the other side of the equation I understand the turntable’s cartridge cannot play through the Hegel without first going through a phono stage. My old Phase Linear 4000 preamp you just plugged the turntables RCA cables into the back of the preamp and you were done. What’s that about? Do they make equivalent integrated amps to the Hegel H360 with integrated phono stages already in place, so I can just plug my turntable in as I’ve been able to do before. The amps don’t seem to be well integrated at all if you have to add a pricey phono stage to make them work, and end up having an extra DAC. That’s just me whining.

Third question is what are monoblocks, how are they used, and what are their advantages to a system? They were used at one of my speaker auditions.

I figured out the answer to what amplifier damping was myself, so I’m sparing you that one, but what does the term impedance mean? I keep coming across that.

Thank goodness I don’t have to figure out the cabling nightmare yet. Thanks for any help.

Mike
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Mike, I really do mean cheap, as in $10 or $20 a pair. $100 max. You can just laugh and throw them away when someone demonstrates better.

I run a six figure system on premium microphone cable and ETI connectors, maybe $75 a pair to solder up. Speaker wire is a special case for me, but when I was using stock speakers, I used Goertz speaker cable at about $10 / ft. Current system is vinyl and ESL.

Exotic power cords are bettered by an isolation transformer, IMO.

Yes, US cleaning makes a big difference. I use a German commercial unit made by ElmaSonic (80KHz) and a spinner made by Vinyl Stack. The difference between cleaning with the VPI 16.5 (now sold) and US is about equivalent to moving from $5000 speakers to $10,000 speakers. Not to mention wear on your stylus. IMO. YMMV.

Good luck!
Just curios, anyone tried Magico with British integrated, Naim or Musical Fidelity or LFD ?
Yeah, Luxman class A within your budget is $5.5k, 40 watt/ch/4ohm. If it is a very conservative figure - it might be enough for moderate level listening, I don't know. Could be interesting to compare it to Luxman A/B, $4.5k. My wild guess - depends on what you are listening and how loud, there might be no clear winner.
Terry, I’m going to get back to you when I start researching cables. You’re talking a bit over my head in their description in your post, but I learn quickly.

Since I’m probably going to purchase the Hegel H360, I now have to figure out what price range and brand phono stages pair nicely with with it. I think I’ll  post a new thread over in Audiogon’s Miscellaneous section on that subject. Ultrasonic cleaners will have to wait, perhaps indefinitely, if their price points are too high. Thanks for getting back to me.

Inna, you’re welcome to come over the house and try out any of the Luxman combinations with my Magico A3’s once they arrive. You could, as well, compare them with the Hegel H360’s I’ll likely purchase, since they are a safe bet to synergize with the Magicos.

Mike

I believe that you had better get all  in one system like Lyngdorf, Micromegan, Devialet which include nice DAC , integrated and even room correction.

Then you can save lot of money for cable and system will look more simple.


If you do not mind used ones, there are several listings to save you money in the Audiogon.

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis95j65-micromega-m-one-m100-stereo-integrated-amplifier-m-100-ma...

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis95iih-lyngdorf-audio-tdai-2170-integrated-amplifier-loaded-mint...


https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis955fi-devialet-120-stereo-integrated-amplifier-14485-solid-stat...


Nice thing to get used gear is that you will get less loss at resale after 2,3 years.

I believe that you will be happy with any one of above three linked items.


The first and second one does include room correction but the last one does not.

If I choose one, I will go for Micromega which have more bass control than Lyngdorf 2017.


If you insist new one, Lyngdorf 3400 appears to be good choice.



Yeah, Luxman class A within your budget is $5.5k, 40 watt/ch/4ohm. If it is a very conservative figure - it might be enough for moderate level listening, I don’t know. Could be interesting to compare it to Luxman A/B, $4.5k. My wild guess - depends on what you are listening and how loud, there might be no clear winner.

inna, take a look at the link I posted earlier. The Luxman L-590AXII actually is putting out over 150 wpc into 4 ohms. Used, a very nice L-590AX probably will be about $4000. (this is the version before the MkII came out) The newest version, the L-590AXII, used, maybe $6500. I’m not sure why Luxman insists on only claiming the Class A output, and nothing beyond that, I think they’re doing themselves a disservice. Once again, these are not low-powered amps.
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