In search for speakers of "natural" sound


Hello,
I am using a pair of Harbeth speakers. However, I am not satisfied with the 'naturalness' of the sound (it could be that I am so demanding). I am looking for a pair of speakers that can produce the more natural and organic sound than Harbeth if there is any.

I know that it depends on the amp, cables, and other variables. However, let's assume that with the appropriate gears, which speakers do you think can produce the "most natural sound"? By "natural", I mean the sound that we hear directly from musical instruments, from the singer without going through any amplification.

There is a user mentioning that speakers from the past used that 'natural sound' as a reference when designed speakers. In contrast, the sound today (even the hi-end one) is to "hi-fi". He guessed it could be less people have chance to listen to live / acoustic music than before.  

Is it right?

Thank you for your experience and recommendation!
Best,
Huy.

P.S: I know that my questions are silly and dumb, please bear with me.


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Hi fsonicsmith,
Thank you for your input. You are correct. There is a flat screen between (but not close to) 2 Harbeth speakers and they are quite close the the wall. How does it badly influence the sound (even when the TV is off?). Please bear with my ignorance.

I tried to place it further away from the wall, the sound is clearer but the bass is weaker (the weight in the bass decreases).

I have Nakamichi 1000 tape player. Is it counted as a good source of analogue? Sound from Nakamichi is much better than the DAC I use but that analogue sound not close to the 'natural' I am looking for. I know I'm very demanding in sound but I get familiar with any sound although it's good enough and search for more refined.

Thank you.



Huy; again, I am not in your room. Everything matters. The flatscreen in between the speakers has to go. It is not about being on or off, it is about that highly reflective surface where you need a sound absorbing surface.  If it can’t go, you must find a way to temporarily cover it up with sound absorbing material. Look up GIK Acoustics. Your Harbeths coming out into the room will decrease gross bass but once you get out of the room nodes (look this up), your bass will sound tight and more realistic (less bloated). Tiny changes make a huge difference, most times. The only proper way to do this is to lay down painters tape into grids so that you can keep your changes consistent. Let me say it again because it can not be said enough, everything matters. You must nullify first reflection points at the side walls and ceiling. You must have complimentary cabling. You must have a clean power supply. You must have the right seating position. Pick up Jim Smith’s book "Get Better Sound". Jim has a hundred or more tips and some will apply and some will not. If you take the time to try his tips, most of which are labor intensive but not expensive, you will find the sound you are missing. Please trust me-it is not your speakers and simply looking for some magic speaker to obtain your desired "natural sound" is, uh, not natural.
Ohm Walsh with patented CLS (Coherent Line Source) driver would be worth a listen for something totally different and very natural sounding.    I think they have a demo room at upcoming Capital Audifest in DC area.  
*chuckle*
Invoke 'natural' and they're off and running.... ;)
Me?  Just an absurder...'scuse, an Observer....*G*

audiokinesis has some good observations on the subject, as does fsonic...mapman (Hi, guy! *G*) and I are Walsh omni fans, although our taste in 'device applied' is somewhat Different (Ohm vs. DIY, respectively), although the basic desire and concept is the same.

All recorded music is subject to all the tech and tricks that I'm sure you're aware of....in short, a construct.  At the end of the day, all we can strive for is what sounds 'correct'...IMHO, YHO, Anyones'...

I've got the usual 'inputs'...TT, CD, tape, digital sources....
i've got direct radiators, ribbons, my Walsh's...even a pair of Maggies....
Working to add a pair or two of DMLs', just to add to the 'reference mix' of having at play just to be able to 'sample' what they sound like.
My 'stack' of equipment can't go into the typical 'living room'; it looks like a Frankenstack of consumer/pro/DIY/'puter 'stuff' that I can apply 4 levels of eq AND xover AND switchgears so that any or ALL can be running at once....so I can either make them sound like themselves, alone...

...or like each other....in a (granted) crappy space

I find more variance in the recordings.

Pick what sounds good to you.  Until you fall out of love with it.

Happy hunting, and good variable factors. *S*