Snake oil came first. By a likely ~ +50k years

You didn't drive home yourself, did you?

@schubert My memory is probably not accurate. And maybe it was ’voluntary’ PT but the Marines were always doing it. My roommate was in Navy ROTC and he never went out with the Marines. Where I went to school all of us, every single student, were in ROTC whether we intended to accept a commission or not. So way more than half of the student body, all males back then, took four full years of ROTC but never went into the military. Which is all to say that it was probably the career track guys out there running and doing push-ups all the time.

Edit: I just looked it up. The school has a "Marine Contingent" within the Navy ROTC department. They accept Marine Corp commissions.

Stop living in the past and bragging about all the demerits and get back to current business, ie spewing nonsense repeatedly and non stop.

There is a lots of past going on here. It takes some time to gather past. Lots of military talk, too. Who would have guessed it is on the fuse vs. wire direction vs. timbre forum. Nothing wrong with a little lighter topic, especially on a self-indulgent thread like this.

The closest I got to the military is my draft card which I still have.