How important is it for you to attain a holographic image?

rvpiano,

If a singer is panned to the middle of a stereo mix, or if you are listening to a mono mix, virtually any half decent pair of speakers will produce the effect you just mentioned of the singer seeming to be in the middle of the speakers, hanging in space.

This happens pretty much be default given the stereo imaging process.

- It always happens in a typical stereo set up with a centralized listener.
- It's always artificial.
- There are common existing audiophile terms to describe the effect."Soundstaging" (in general, the apparent scale and dimensionality of the soundspace seemingly created by the speakers) and "imaging" (in general: the localization if individual sound sources - for mono, always localized between the speakers).

Therefore, I don't see what new distinction you wish to make with "holographic" as if it were to refer to something distinct from the normal terms "imaging" or "soundstaging."

Anyone else know what rvpiano is trying to describe if it isn't just plain old imaging/soundstaging that virtually all of us can xperience from our system?


(I can't imagine anyone here has a pair of speaker so awful that, when situated in the stereo configuration, would not produce the singer-in-space-between-the-speakers effect).

Peterprvk, Re the Hafler loop - I agree that this can have  a very pleasant encompassing effect. I believe that it really is not much more than reproducing out of phase sounds  thru separate speakers using the same amp as used in the front speakers but you need a separate attenuator  to get the right volume level (came in Hafler's box). Its simple and as far as I'm concerned, while not as sophisticated as most multichannel systems, it is effective and you don't have nearly the set up issues. For other reasons I chose to use only 2 channel systems, mainly because I'm not inclined to fiddle with placement and volume issues every time I put on a recording and more inclined to just listen to the music not the effects.

Interestingly Carver had a shot at holography which I tried out back in the day. The first thing I noticed, and it blew me away, was in a cut when the audience applauded a performance it placed you in the audience, as opposed to hearing all of the applause in front you. But it really became more of a distraction than a benign additive and I lost interest. This black box I believe was doing nothing much more than playing with phase issues. 

One of the problems with max'ing out the soundstaging potential is when a recording is made, which includes all of the ambiance sounds in the recording environment, is that these sounds when reproduced thru your system can be in conflict (confused) by the ambiance in your room. For example if you have a recording with lots of ambiance and you play it in a bright room you are hearing neither of them any where near accurately. (Interestingly though, if you played a recording with all of the recording ambiance encoded and played it back in a 'dead acoustic' I think most folks would find it dead/dull as well. We have become quite adjusted, I think, to hearing the recording's ambiance when it is superimposed on the room acoustic  (we know our rooms that well). 

Anyway, that's all I know. :-)

Let's segway into a discussion of binaural recording and binaural sound reproduction.

Why? Mono Binaural is strictly for headphones. 

Peter_van_keuran:
Yes, I had that Dynaco adapter years ago.  It was very impressive with ambient sound filling from the rear speakers.

Prof,

Maybe you’ve never heard the type of holography I’m speaking of.  It’s not typical imaging, where the soloist is in front of rest of the rest of the forces as you would hear in real life.  It’s a disembodied sound, almost ghostly, hanging in front of the speakers.
 Some systems can create that effect.