How important is it for you to attain a holographic image?

Flesschler, in regard to the music, I listen to a lot of "Blue Note" jazz recorded by RVG. That has absolutely nothing to do with holography, but everything to do with the content and quality of the music; holography happens when it happens depending on the record.

I have no idea what we have to agree to disagree about. While most certainly you will not get holography with less than high quality speakers, the size of the speakers are dependent on the size of your room. "holography" is a function of the speakers, the amp, the pre-amp, the turntable, the cartridge, (or CD player), and last but not least, "the room". All of these items must function as one unit; there is no magic "holography button" on the speakers or the rest of the components required to deliver good sound.

I play music the same as someone with a one box rig; what I want to hear at any given moment without any regard for holography.

The biggest perk in my rig is the acquisition of a new collection; meaning the music I acquired 50 years ago is fresh, sparkling, and new.

Since you must have everything else that is desirable in a rig before you can get to "holography", I say it is the most desirable because you can not get to holography before you get to everything else.



gpgr4blu said;


Holographic imaging is not the be all and end all of audio. But when your system has excellent timbre, texture, pace and dynamics---and then you tune it in to the nth degree (speaker placement/room treatments) --it can result in holographic imaging which, to me, is musical heaven.




"Holographic imaging" is the result, for me, of 30 years hard labor that will be complete after I get professional room treatment. It is the "result", not a single item in and of itself, like tone or timbre, but the result of every component functioning as one unit to deliver heavenly music to your specifications.

30 years of hard labor?

Sounds like a prison sentence to me!

Anyway, I won’t be around then.

 

 Holographic sound is fantastisch,but always combinated with detail  and surround. Maybe 1 at 10 recordings have a good balance. A lot of recordings are bad: “ Hymn” , Sarah Brightman is terrible at a good system. Why: Violins in the front,very compact like in a box, not holographic and the voice sounds 10 meters behind.
The wires in your system ar also very important: copper,rhodium for tubes. + silver for transistor .
The placement of the set,the accoustic of the room is important to.
Now i have: Luxman sacd- 06, Audio Note M5,Gamut D-200i and the Ilumnia Magister. My friend: Ear 868 dpf , Ear 509 power Mono Blocks, and Ilumnia Magister. It’s great.
Enjoy your music, make the best of it,because for you,music is one of the important things in your life!! Make 2019 even more musical. “The very best”!!!Lukas

Lukaske - Have you listened to acoustic orchestral music, some big band jazz, piano, even electronica like Yello on your Ilumnia Magisters? They have an unconventional design which is at least quasi-omnidirectional and possibly very holographic.

Have you heard classic 50’s-60’s vocal and jazz recordings? From the Youtubes, I can’t tell whether I like or dislike these speakers because the type of "music" on them sounds like what I hear at audio shows and tells me very little about the music, just sounds. I am very familiar with the EAR tube gear (my backup system is similar).

orpheus10


——“Since "holography" requires the best electronics, and speakers set up by professionals, that statement lacks credibility.“

As I’ve made clear through the thread:  I’ve been referring to a holographic quality in the sense well understood and accepted for many years in high end audio:  as captured by the terms imaging/soundstage/dimensionality.

A number of my systems routinely produce a large soundstage with excellent image precisIon, great depth, a sense of sound dimensional sonic images of musicians in layers of depths detached from, around and behind the speakers.  Often with a nice sense of density and presence.
I recently played the Taxi Driver soundtrack for a musician friend and he was utterly blown away by the sense of real musicians in a real space “Like I was as right there on floor listening to the musicians make the recording.”

Plenty of other audiophiles have systems that soundstage spectacularly as well.

Whereas:  You have been throwing around the term “Holography” in an ill-defined manner.   Seemingly it’s conveniently something you have... but no one is left the wiser if in fact you are experiencing something beyond what we have.  So your pronouncements about what it takes to achieve “holography” just hang in the air as unsupported, vague claims.

—-“If you don’t want a good system I have no problem with that...”

You’ve pulled that out of nowhere.  Of course I want a good system.  That’s why I have one.  And it is very “holographic” was in the ways I have indicated.

And no it didn’t take a professional to set up my system.  

Though I did redesign my room in consultation with an acoustician so perhaps my system has that advantage over yours.

(Though I was able to get a very dimensional image even before the reno)