How important is it for you to attain a holographic image?

Lukaske - Have you listened to acoustic orchestral music, some big band jazz, piano, even electronica like Yello on your Ilumnia Magisters? They have an unconventional design which is at least quasi-omnidirectional and possibly very holographic.

Have you heard classic 50’s-60’s vocal and jazz recordings? From the Youtubes, I can’t tell whether I like or dislike these speakers because the type of "music" on them sounds like what I hear at audio shows and tells me very little about the music, just sounds. I am very familiar with the EAR tube gear (my backup system is similar).

orpheus10


——“Since "holography" requires the best electronics, and speakers set up by professionals, that statement lacks credibility.“

As I’ve made clear through the thread:  I’ve been referring to a holographic quality in the sense well understood and accepted for many years in high end audio:  as captured by the terms imaging/soundstage/dimensionality.

A number of my systems routinely produce a large soundstage with excellent image precisIon, great depth, a sense of sound dimensional sonic images of musicians in layers of depths detached from, around and behind the speakers.  Often with a nice sense of density and presence.
I recently played the Taxi Driver soundtrack for a musician friend and he was utterly blown away by the sense of real musicians in a real space “Like I was as right there on floor listening to the musicians make the recording.”

Plenty of other audiophiles have systems that soundstage spectacularly as well.

Whereas:  You have been throwing around the term “Holography” in an ill-defined manner.   Seemingly it’s conveniently something you have... but no one is left the wiser if in fact you are experiencing something beyond what we have.  So your pronouncements about what it takes to achieve “holography” just hang in the air as unsupported, vague claims.

—-“If you don’t want a good system I have no problem with that...”

You’ve pulled that out of nowhere.  Of course I want a good system.  That’s why I have one.  And it is very “holographic” was in the ways I have indicated.

And no it didn’t take a professional to set up my system.  

Though I did redesign my room in consultation with an acoustician so perhaps my system has that advantage over yours.

(Though I was able to get a very dimensional image even before the reno)

Orpheus10,

Now that you’ve got the Prof involved, you’re in for it!

Prof, not only have you identified a "holographic soundstage" but you have one; a rose by any other name is still a rose.

"Audio Holography" is nothing more than stereo taken to it's highest level; it's not something different. Using our vision as an analogy, whatever is on the disc or record, is what we're looking at. Two eyes that visualize everything from a slightly different perspective, is what gives the world depth and dimension.

Two speakers projecting slightly different views of the same sound, when perfected; meaning everything in the audio chain is of a very high quality, produce a visual image of the audio. While the gear produces a perfect image, the room distorts this image by not reflecting all the sound waves symmetrically. Trial and error will get us in the ballpark, but since we can not see sound waves, we need professional help, or professional measuring gear in order to perfect the sound stage with room treatment.


We have identified the elusive holographic sound stage, and since it was a team effort, I think it has been defined to everyone's satisfaction.

Each time we upgrade our rigs, we are moving in the direction of "holography" whether we realize it or not. However, it's only when we actively pursue room treatment, are we actively pursuing "Holography".