Big speakers in small room at moderate volume levels

@ctsooner All of the speakers I have focused on I have heard, except for the Harbeth and the Yamaha. Of the ones I have heard I think the Persona is my favorite. I could easily live with any of the others in my office. I am not too worried about the speakers. I am also not worried about the separate external amplification or network player. All of these are of high quality that I am looking at. Almost any permutation of the speakers, amps, Network players I have identified would make for a good system (in a big room).

I am only concerned about 1 thing now and that is making a big speaker fit into the small room in a manner so that I can enjoy a good deal of the systems capability. To that end I have done a few things such as cleaning up the room of furniture and getting acoustic treatments. The last thing I am doing, which is to explore DSP, is something that the DSP guys are saying will make my goal a reality.

If I stay in my room lane and get an appropriate sized speaker (small stand mount) I may not need DSP. However, I am trying to do fit an inappropriate sized speaker into this room. The DSP demo I have scheduled will tell me if I have solved the problem.

With regards to the Treo CT I have only heard them with Bryston Cubed stack. The Lyngdorf issue I described was the amplification stage driving the Persona 5F, it was not good. However, the Lyngdorf preamp section impressed the heck out of me and is my leading contender for those duties. The dealer did mention to me that the combo we discovered, Lyngdorf preamp+Simaudio amp was the best he has heard the Persona 5F.

That Persona demo so impressed me that I am now questioning the purchase of the Blade for the downstairs. A large Persona speaker, such as the 9H, is heavier and hard from my kid to move. The Blades are rather easier to dislodge. The front facing woofers on the Persona maybe easier to place compared to the side firing Blade drivers. I still like the Blade more but from a practicality standpoint the Persona is compelling for my downstairs. This is a digression from this thread.

Alternative to the Lyngdorf as a preamp.

https://legacyaudio.com/products/view/wavelet-dac-preamp-crossover/

Should be a dealer somewhere near you.

@ jackd 

+ Wavelet. Now, this is interesting. Didn't know of. 

@yyzsantabarbara 

No love for Legacy speakers?  

When testing the Lyngdorf room correction I would advice you to try the different built-in eq curves. I mostly listen to the one named "Open" which decrease the lower register 2db from 200Hz and down. I often find the "Normal" setting a little too bass heavy. Taking away information from lower mid. That's why I'd like the 3400 model with added manual settings possibility. 

@jackd I heard the Legacy top of the line speakers in what I thought looked like a very good hotel room a few years ago. They had the DSP setup but it was not too my tastes, the bass was way too heavy. Now what that means is that the guy setting up the system had different preferences from me.Given the accolades to the Legacy speakers I doubt that was a good setup. However, I have never considered Legacy ever since that demo.

The best part about that demo was meeting the son of PS Audio founder. He started telling me about ROON and to not buy anything until I heard it. It was 6 months prior to release of ROON. I bought a lifetime membership just from that guys recommendation on the first week of release and I am very happy I did.

The Linn SELEKT DSM that I mentioned above is a direct competitor to the Lyngdorf. It is more modular in design with more ambition, they have the something called the EXACT system and also some speaker matching system (including 3rd party speakers). Somewhat like the Devialet SAM concept (SAM is not DSP).  The Linn DSP implementation is not with a microphone, but uses detailed room measurements Lyngdorf says they are a 3-D microphone setup. It will be interesting to see which, if any, sounds better.

I have not heard anyone talking about the Linn SELEKT on A'gon like they do for the Lyngdorf. The dealer prefers the Linn, Lyngdorf, and Arc2 in that order, but the also sell more elaborate Linn systems using SPACE Optimization as the basic framework. So that may have something to do with the preference.

@gosta I was listening to the Lyngdorf 2170. The dealer was wondering if it was under powered for the Persona 5F. I am thinking no, and we were playing Vanessa Rodriguez track which dud not have too much dynamics when I said this is not good sound. The 3400 is the unit I would consider, mainly for the XLR analog out. I also understand that there are more eq features but those features have a smaller effect than the base Room Perfect.

@tomic601  Since u like Emmylou Harris. How about listening to that second track on Wreaking Ball on the Treo CT and give a description of the sound you hear.  It is not about soundstage or imaging on this track but the sound effects. I really had never heard it before in  my Revel Salon 1, Thiel SCS4. I don't remember listening to it on my Audience 1+1 V3 . All these speakers are sold. 

I am listening to that track now on my LS50 and I do hear what I heard at the demo but it is not prominent in the LS50. If I did not know to listen for it I would not have noticed. What I am describing is an atmospheric effect. To me that effect gives me the visualization of some sort of movement or motion, like the singer in a moving car. Daniel Lanois was on a bit of a roll in those days, Emnylous Harris, Robbie Robertson, U2, Peter Gabriel. 

BTW - this recording is giving me a bit of ear fatigue in my room with the LS50's. Need to check this CD out after the GIK treatments.

@tomic601  Emmylous Harris - Wayfaring Stranger. Wow.