Big speakers in small room at moderate volume levels


My office is 11’W x 10’L x 9’H and is where I can listen to music for the next few years. I have a toddler and, for now, he has commanded the big spaces in the rest of the house. I have auditioned the Magico A3 and wanted to buy it but that was before I was relegated to the smallish office (I was expecting to move to a bigger room). I have removed the closet doors in this office room. The removal of the closet door gives me another 4 feet of depth to this room, though for only 1/2 width of the room. I can sit unobstructed 8 feet away from the speakers before I hit the area where the closet ends (so near field listening).

I currently I have KEF LS50 with Peachtree Nova 150. It is good and I can listen for the whole day without fatigue. I listen to FM, digital files on ROON, and my Sony SCD-1 SACD player. I want a bigger sound so I am looking at bigger speakers. I also do not want to use a sub since I am not a fan. I will also upgrade the NOVA 150 to the NOVA 500 in Spring 2019 and use with the LS50’s in a bedroom.

I came to the conclusion that my tastes would be best served by one of KEF Reference 1 or Magico A3. I was thinking that I would use the Lyngdorf 3400 in this room but I am having seconds thoughts on this now (some A’gon comments that it maybe a little dry). I am interested in solid state AB units like the Hegel H590 and Mark Levinson 585 to drive the speakers. I have heard the ML 585 and it is a fatigue free sounding unit that was a joy to listen to. I have not heard the Hegel H590 yet (but have heard other Hegels with KEF) and I am in the process of getting an audition of the H590. I have also discounted the class AB Micromega M-One 150 (with MARS room correction) because I do not want a cooling fan blowing in the room.

I must mention that I do not listen that loud when I am working and when I am working very late at night the volume is very low. The Mark Levinson and A3 combo was very good at low volumes during my demo but that was in the dealers perfect large room.

1) Am I making a mistake foregoing room correction with the 2 integrateds I am considering? Should I go with the Lyngdorf and A3 or KEF Ref 1, though I have never heard the Lyngdorf?

2) Will the Magico A3 work in this small room at moderate volumes WITHOUT room correction or will I subject myself to headaches and fatigue?

I am going to ask the dealer selling the A3’s this question when I am ready to buy but i wanted to ask on A’gon first to get some feedback. I doubt I could get the A3’s into my room for a trial but I have not asked the dealer yet.

I think (not 100% sure) the KEF Reference 1 with a non room correcting amp should work in my office space but I would prefer to buy the Magico A3 for the office. I have plans to buy another KEF model once my kid is a bit older and I can kick him out of the big room.
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@ jackd 

+ Wavelet. Now, this is interesting. Didn't know of. 

@yyzsantabarbara 

No love for Legacy speakers?  

When testing the Lyngdorf room correction I would advice you to try the different built-in eq curves. I mostly listen to the one named "Open" which decrease the lower register 2db from 200Hz and down. I often find the "Normal" setting a little too bass heavy. Taking away information from lower mid. That's why I'd like the 3400 model with added manual settings possibility. 

@jackd I heard the Legacy top of the line speakers in what I thought looked like a very good hotel room a few years ago. They had the DSP setup but it was not too my tastes, the bass was way too heavy. Now what that means is that the guy setting up the system had different preferences from me.Given the accolades to the Legacy speakers I doubt that was a good setup. However, I have never considered Legacy ever since that demo.

The best part about that demo was meeting the son of PS Audio founder. He started telling me about ROON and to not buy anything until I heard it. It was 6 months prior to release of ROON. I bought a lifetime membership just from that guys recommendation on the first week of release and I am very happy I did.

The Linn SELEKT DSM that I mentioned above is a direct competitor to the Lyngdorf. It is more modular in design with more ambition, they have the something called the EXACT system and also some speaker matching system (including 3rd party speakers). Somewhat like the Devialet SAM concept (SAM is not DSP).  The Linn DSP implementation is not with a microphone, but uses detailed room measurements Lyngdorf says they are a 3-D microphone setup. It will be interesting to see which, if any, sounds better.

I have not heard anyone talking about the Linn SELEKT on A'gon like they do for the Lyngdorf. The dealer prefers the Linn, Lyngdorf, and Arc2 in that order, but the also sell more elaborate Linn systems using SPACE Optimization as the basic framework. So that may have something to do with the preference.

@gosta I was listening to the Lyngdorf 2170. The dealer was wondering if it was under powered for the Persona 5F. I am thinking no, and we were playing Vanessa Rodriguez track which dud not have too much dynamics when I said this is not good sound. The 3400 is the unit I would consider, mainly for the XLR analog out. I also understand that there are more eq features but those features have a smaller effect than the base Room Perfect.

@tomic601  Since u like Emmylou Harris. How about listening to that second track on Wreaking Ball on the Treo CT and give a description of the sound you hear.  It is not about soundstage or imaging on this track but the sound effects. I really had never heard it before in  my Revel Salon 1, Thiel SCS4. I don't remember listening to it on my Audience 1+1 V3 . All these speakers are sold. 

I am listening to that track now on my LS50 and I do hear what I heard at the demo but it is not prominent in the LS50. If I did not know to listen for it I would not have noticed. What I am describing is an atmospheric effect. To me that effect gives me the visualization of some sort of movement or motion, like the singer in a moving car. Daniel Lanois was on a bit of a roll in those days, Emnylous Harris, Robbie Robertson, U2, Peter Gabriel. 

BTW - this recording is giving me a bit of ear fatigue in my room with the LS50's. Need to check this CD out after the GIK treatments.
@ yyzsantabarbara

I’m interested to. There’s so many "effects" in that track. Can you say what time it starts? She harkles after 11 sec and prepares to sing after 19 sec and start singing after 40 sec. Is it somewhere there or is it later? The whole song?

That advice for Wayfaring Stranger with Emmylou was excellent. Really fine recording. Her voice was fantastic in those days. The Wrecking Ball cd is a recording that separates speakers/systems. But her voice is harder now, always interesting but a little tireing. I would say that the live cd Spy Boy, mostly based on Wrecking Ball, is one of the best live recordings for sound quality (and music). Sometimes terrifying music for the speakers at high volume (Deeper Well) but still no ear fatigue - they bleed instead.. :-) But you will need something else than LS50 for these cd’s (sorry - but I’m sure you are aware of that). Flat bass capacity extremely important. Fine test for your office room.

Have listened to Rebecka Flack cd "Quiet fire" today. What a gem. Voice, bass, piano, choir, orchestra and a very very deep soundstage. This is real music.

All I wanted to mention was that if you find the Lyngdorf room corrected bass a little to much, or would like a little more forward low-mid, don’t miss to ask your dealer to try the "Open 1" and/or "Open 2" eq curves.

@gosta I noticed it a little after the start and through out the song. I noticed the song iitle is "GOODBYE". I did not know that during the demo. The dealer skipped to that song after HE did not like the first one. So maybe there is something to the  song title and the effect that I seem to have hallucinated.